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Postby gavesako » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:09 pm

The Divine Mantra (new)

o Mp3 Audio
o Pali text with English translation (pdf)

by Ven. Thanissaro Bhikkhu

http://dhammatalks.org/chant_index.html#dmantra
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Postby Brizzy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:05 am

Would the relatively new tradition of the Dhammakaya foundation be classed as tantric theravada?

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Postby gavesako » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:49 am

I guess so, though it also includes other modern elements. The meditation technique itself, claimed to have been "re-discovered" after it had been forgotten for a long time, would have probably just been picked up from someone who has been actually practising it (not the official Buddhism).
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Postby gavesako » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:50 am

Interesting post on two kinds of "knowledge" and the reason for memorising Pali texts by heart:

Knowledge in Esoteric Khmer Buddhism
http://santidhammo.blogspot.com/2011/11 ... dhism.html
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Postby gavesako » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:30 am

Some scholarly articles about the origin of the term "yogacara bhiksu" (or "yogavacara") in the Buddhist texts, probably referring to "a monk engaged in meditation practice":

J. Silk
1997 b "Further remarks on the yogācāra bhiksu." In Bhikkhu Pāsādika and Bhikkhu Tampalawela Dhammaratana, eds., Dharmadūta: Mélanges offerts au Vénérable Thích Huyên-Vi à l'occasion de son soixante-dixième anniversaire (Paris: Éditions You Feng): 233-250.

http://buddhismandsocialjustice.com/SIL ... gacara.pdf


J. Silk
2000 a "The Yogācāra Bhiksu." In A 2000: 265-314.

http://buddhismandsocialjustice.com/SIL ... 202007.pdf
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Postby chownah » Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:40 pm

At a local temple they have three new buddha statues (one for each of the three seasons ...the Thai name (phra kaew sam rhedoo)for them translated into English is "Three seasons green buddhas") and they are going to have a big ceremony to "open the eyes" of these statues.....it seems that many of the local people (Buddhists) believe that with this ceremony something gets activated in the statues.......it seems that many of the local people have beliefs that are usually called "idolatry" or "idol worship".......is this tantric theravada.......are buddhists idol worshipers?
From what I've been told (but might not be accurate):
The ceremony evidentally includes the cooking of a large pot of sweetened rice (I think) which at first is stirred only by virgins who are instructed to think only pure thoughts while stirring....after some time the virgins are not required for stirring and other people (wearing white clothes) will continue.....the virgins (who are mostly still children) sleep while the monk chants pretty much all night until early in the morning when the virgins are awakened when they are required to portion out the first portions of the rice into plastic bags (probably traditionally banana leaf was used) and after the virgins get this process started then the people wearing white clothes finish up.......the percentage of virgins is probably too low now for them to prepare all of the sweetened rice for the community....in the old days all of the work done in preparing the rice was done by virgins.
From what I've been told (again might not be accurate):
If you pray to the statue before the eyes are opened nothing good can come of it but if you pray to the statue after its eyes are opened then it can bring good things to you.

Seems like this is idol worship to me.....I guess......does tantric theravada include idol worship?

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Postby gavesako » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:18 pm

Thanks for the anthropological report. Here is a whole book devoted to this subject which will certainly fall into this category:

Becoming the Buddha: the ritual of image consecration in Thailand
By Donald K. Swearer

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1Cgv ... &q&f=false

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Postby rowboat » Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:00 am

It's very common in Asia, for any object that is to be to be venerated, that the eyes are always painted last.
Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: Tantric Theravada?

Postby gavesako » Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:52 pm

Anything to do with Buddha pouring or casting ceremonies involves a lot of "tantric" magic. Below you can see Reusi Kesa-kaew, a well-known rishi with long hair who gets invited to some forest monasteries as well and has a bodhisattva reputation, presiding over such a ceremony together with a monk:

http://board.palungjit.com/f2/almine-%E ... 634-8.html
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Re: Tantric Theravada?

Postby yamaka » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:49 am

Dear all,

Base on the northern Buddhist texts, there were so called "Naga Samadhi" meditation state claims to enter such of deep concentration(The practitioner's body will have changed to a Naga form, and then hide into a deep cave to keep its longevity before the occurrence of Metteya Buddha, the future Buddha)

How about Theravada text have such of meditation state or technique?

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Postby pilgrim » Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:29 am

I've seen pictures of an image in Thai temples of a 'being" which is fat and holds on to its belly with both hands. Its not the Chinese laughing Buddha. Can anyone identify it?

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Re: Tantric Theravada?

Postby gavesako » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Here is a collection of Pali paritta chants in the Thai Dhammayut style:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MindQuakeTV?feature=watch

They are accompanied by tantric yantra drawings which are supposed to have a magical protective effect and are also used for tattoos.

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The number of Buddhas in this chant has proliferated out of proportion it seems:


Sambuddhe: The Buddhas

Sambuddhe aṭṭhavīsañca
Dvādasañca sahassake
Pañca-sata-sahassāni
Namāmi sirasā ahaṃ.
I pay homage with my head to the 512,028 Buddhas.

Tesaṃ dhammañca saṅghañca
Ādarena namāmi'haṃ.
Namakārānubhāvena
Hantvā sabbe upaddave
Anekā antarāyāpi
Vinassantu asesato.
I pay devoted homage to their Dhamma & Sangha.
Through the power of this homage,
having demolished all misfortunes,
May countless dangers be destroyed without trace.

Sambuddhe pañca-paññāsañca
Catuvīsati sahassake
Dasa-sata-sahassāni
Namāmi sirasā ahaṃ.
I pay homage with my head to the 1,024,055 Buddhas.

Tesaṃ dhammañca saṅghañca
Ādarena namāmi'haṃ.
Namakārānubhāvena
Hantvā sabbe upaddave
Anekā antarāyāpi
Vinassantu asesato.
I pay devoted homage to their Dhamma & Sangha.
Through the power of this homage,
having demolished all misfortunes,
May countless dangers be destroyed without trace.

Sambuddhe navuttarasate
Aṭṭhacattāḷīsa sahassake
Vīsati-sata-sahassāni
Namāmi sirasā ahaṃ.
I pay homage with my head to the 2,048,109 Buddhas.

Tesaṃ dhammañca saṅghañca
Ādarena namāmi'haṃ.
Namakārānubhāvena
Hantvā sabbe upaddave
Anekā antarāyāpi
Vinassantu, asesato.
I pay devoted homage to their Dhamma & Sangha.
Through the power of this homage,
having demolished all misfortunes,
May countless dangers be destroyed without trace.

http://youtu.be/_b_glhDoGoY


And in this chant the sacred syllable OM (AUM -- Arahato... Uttamadhammassa... Mahasanghassa...) also appears:


The Homage Octet

Homage to the Great Seer, the Worthy One, Rightly Self-awakened. Homage to the highest Dhamma, well-taught by him here. And homage to the Great Sangha, pure in virtue & view. Homage to the Triple Gem beginning auspiciously with AUM. And homage to those three objects that have left base things behind. By the potency of this homage, may misfortunes disappear. By the potency of this homage, may there always be well-being. By the power of this homage, may success in this ceremony be mine.

Namo arahato sammā-
Sambuddhassa mahesino
Homage to the Great Seer, the Worthy One, Rightly Self-awakened.

Namo uttama-dhammassa
Svākkhātasseva tenidha
Homage to the highest Dhamma, well-taught by him here.

Namo mahā-saṅghassāpi
Visuddha-sīla-diṭṭhino
And homage to the Great Sangha, pure in virtue & view.

Namo omātyāraddhassa
Ratanattayassa sādhukaṃ
Homage to the Triple Gem beginning auspiciously with AUM.

Namo omakātītassa
Tassa vatthuttayassapi
And homage to those three objects that have left base things behind.

Namo-kārappabhāvena
Vigacchantu upaddavā
By the potency of this homage, may misfortunes disappear.

Namo-kārānubhāvena
Suvatthi hotu sabbadā
By the potency of this homage, may there always be well-being.

Namo-kārassa tejena
Vidhimhi homi, tejavā.
By the power of this homage, may success in this ceremony be mine.

http://youtu.be/TREmjkuQlYg


And this is the ultimate protection one could ever wish for:

The Great Universe of Blessings

Siri-dhiti-mati-tejo-jayasiddhi-mahiddhi-
mahāguṇāparimita-puññādhikārassa
sabbantarāya-nivāraṇa-samatthassa
bhagavato arahato sammā-sambuddhassa
dvattiṃsa-mahāpurisa-lakkhaṇ'ānubhāvena

Through the power of the 32 marks of the Great Man belonging to the Blessed One, the Worthy One, the Rightly Self-awakened One, who through his accumulation of merit is endowed with glory, steadfastness of intent, majesty, victorious power, great might, countless great virtues, who settles all dangers & obstacles,

asītyānubyañjan'ānubhāvena
through the power of his 80 minor characteristics,

aṭṭh'uttara-sata-maṅgal'ānubhāvena
through the power of his 108 blessings,

chabbaṇṇa-raṃsiy'ānubhāvena ketumāl'ānubhāvena
through the power of his sixfold radiance,
through the power of the aura surrounding his head,

dasa-pāramit'ānubhāvena
dasa-upapāramit'ānubhāvena
dasa-paramattha-pāramit'ānubhāvena
through the power of his ten perfections, ten higher perfections,
& ten ultimate perfections,

sīla-samādhi-paññ'ānubhāvena
through the power of his virtue, concentration, & discernment,

buddh'ānubhāvena dhamm'ānubhāvena saṅgh'ānubhāvena
through the power of the Buddha, Dhamma, & Saṅgha,

tej'ānubhāvena iddh'ānubhāvena bal'ānubhāvena
through the power of his majesty, might, & strength,

ñeyya-dhamm'ānubhāvena
through the power of the Dhammas that can be known,

caturāsīti-sahassa-dhammakkhandh'ānubhāvena
through the power of the 84,000 divisions of the Dhamma,

nava-lokuttara-dhamm'ānubhāvena
through the power of the nine transcendent Dhammas,

aṭṭhaṅgika-magg'ānubhāvena
through the power of the eightfold path,

aṭṭha-samāpattiy'ānubhāvena
through the power of his eight meditative attainments,

chaḷabhiññ'ānubhāvena catu-sacca-ñāṇ'ānubhāvena
through the power of his six cognitive skills,
through the power of his knowledge of the four noble truths,

dasa-bala-ñāṇ'ānubhāvena
through the power of his knowledge of the ten strengths,

sabbaññuta-ñāṇ'ānubhāvena
through the power of his omniscience,

mettā-karuṇā-muditā-upekkh'ānubhāvena
through the power of his good will, compassion, appreciation, & equanimity,

sabba-paritt'ānubhāvena
through the power of all protective chants,

ratanattaya-saraṇ'ānubhāvena
through the power of refuge in the Triple Gem:

tuyhaṃ sabba-roga-sok'upaddava-dukkha-domanass-upāyāsā vinassantu
May all your diseases, griefs, misfortunes, pains, distresses, & despairs be destroyed,

sabba-antarāyāpi vinassantu
sabba-saṅkappā tuyhaṃ samijjhantu
may all obstructions be destroyed, may all your resolves succeed,

dīghayutā tuyhaṃ hotu sata-vassa-jīvena
samaṅgiko hotu sabbadā.
may you live long, always attaining 100 years.

Ākāsa-pabbata-vana-bhūmi-gaṅgā-mahāsamuddā
ārakkhakā devatā sadā tumhe,
anurakkhantu.
May the protective devas of the sky, the mountains, the forests, the land, the River Ganges, & the great ocean always protect you.


Bhavatu sabba-maṅgalaṃ
Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May there be every blessing. May all heavenly beings protect you.

Sabba-buddhānubhāvena
Sadā sotthī bhavantu te.
Through the power of all the Buddhas, may you always be well.

Bhavatu sabba-maṅgalaṃ
Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May there be every blessing. May all heavenly beings protect you.

Sabba-dhammānubhāvena
Sadā sotthī bhavantu te.
Through the power of all the Dhammas, may you always be well.

Bhavatu sabba-maṅgalaṃ
Rakkhantu sabba-devatā
May there be every blessing. May all heavenly beings protect you.

Sabba-saṅghānubhāvena
Sadā sotthī bhavantu te.
Through the power of all the Saṅghas, may you always be well.

http://youtu.be/LRz-BWz-PpI
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