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sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

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sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby manas » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:39 am

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Path-limb no.8: sammā samādhi, the four jhānas

Postby manas » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:06 am

Hi all, I thought I should also place here Bhante Gunaratana's video, regarding the de-amphasizing of jhana, as well:



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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: The de-emphasizing of the jhānas must end

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:07 am

The de-emphasizing of the jhānas must end Okay, but then the question is: what is meant by jhana?

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Re: The de-emphasizing of the jhānas must end

Postby manas » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:54 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: The de-emphasizing of the jhānas must end

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:06 am

In regards to the title of this thread, that has already begun. I never used to be able to find anything to read about the jhanas. Now, there are many how-to books out there, I have a list I am slowly working my way through. There are also specialized retreats to go to, here and there.
In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: The de-emphasizing of the jhānas must end

Postby manas » Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:44 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby Zom » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:14 am

As for the topic - I would also put one interesting question: Do you need all 4 jhanas for arahantship, or the 1st one is enough? ,)
Though from some texts we see that even 1st jhana is enough, something tells me that this is not the case and we shouldn't read such statements directly. The direct meaning, as it may be, is "jhana developed to the state of imperturbability" (that is jhana developed to the level of the fourth jhana).

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:59 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: The de-emphasizing of the jhānas must end

Postby Jhana4 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:02 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby Zom » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:17 pm

Well, this "uttari manussa dhamma" also means such psychic powers as levitation, divine eye, ect.
Call it whatever you want - but these states are very hard to reach - even for meditator. So I see Ven. Bodhi's "superhuman" as an adequate translation.

I recall private talk with Ajahn Jayasaro in 2009 - he told me that even among monks who do practise meditation today - there are just few who can reach jhana.

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby manas » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:18 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby Mr Man » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:41 am

Going slightly o/t It seems that some have a natural predisposition to deeper concentration possibly it the same way that some seem to have a natural predisposition for playing an instrument.

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby Jhana4 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:37 pm

In reading the scriptures, there are two kinds of mistakes:
One mistake is to cling to the literal text and miss the inner principles.
The second mistake is to recognize the principles but not apply them to your own mind, so that you waste time and just make them into causes of entanglement.

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby manas » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:37 pm

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: sammāsamādhi: the four jhānas

Postby manas » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:50 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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