Even better.retrofuturist wrote:Greetings DL,
Nah, I'll just settle for nirodha as an understanding of freedom.
Metta,
Retro.
D
Even better.retrofuturist wrote:Greetings DL,
Nah, I'll just settle for nirodha as an understanding of freedom.
Metta,
Retro.
"The greater good"=red herring.cooran wrote:"...the greater good...’’ http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... her...with" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; metta...Chris
Kim O'Hara wrote:*Why* see Walden II, DanieLion?danieLion wrote:See Walden II, by B.F. SKinner.Kim O'Hara wrote:Without disagreeing with retro or David, I will suggest another useful approach - looking at the societies which produce the greatest well-being and happiness for their citizens rather than merely the most money. I have forgotten the details (Googling 'Affluenza' should get you some useful results), but basically the countries that do best on this index are centre-left by European standards (radical left by US standards ) and include the Scandinavian countries. 'Social welfare' programmes (health, education, pensions) make up a big part of their spending and taxes are relatively high to pay for them. They are not, of course, Buddhist-inspired but they are compassion-inspired, and that is a great first step.
Kim
I don't know the book, although I know about about Skinner, so I looked it up (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/walden2/summary.html) and I can't see any useful connection between what I mentioned and what you mentioned.
Kim
Kim O'Hara wrote:Hi, DanieLion,
You seem to have missed this in your last flurry of responses.
Kim*Why* see Walden II, DanieLion?Kim O'Hara wrote:Without disagreeing with retro or David, I will suggest another useful approach - looking at the societies which produce the greatest well-being and happiness for their citizens rather than merely the most money. I have forgotten the details (Googling 'Affluenza' should get you some useful results), but basically the countries that do best on this index are centre-left by European standards (radical left by US standards ) and include the Scandinavian countries. 'Social welfare' programmes (health, education, pensions) make up a big part of their spending and taxes are relatively high to pay for them. They are not, of course, Buddhist-inspired but they are compassion-inspired, and that is a great first step.
Kim
See Walden II, by B.F. SKinner.
I don't know the book, although I know about about Skinner, so I looked it up (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/walden2/summary.html) and I can't see any useful connection between what I mentioned and what you mentioned.
Kim
Thanks for answering, DanieLion. I'm glad you didn't miss my response, slightly sorry you de-prioritized it. As for the rest ...danieLion wrote:I didn't miss it. I de-prioritized it. I don't "flurry". Is that a veiled insult?
You and mindfulmom seem utopianist, and Walden II is a novel about an utopian project.
What is it you think you know about Skinner? There's the propaganda that education and anthropology professors disseminate about Skinner, & then there's the real Skinner. Beware imitations!
D
It's the best one.Kim O'Hara wrote:
- There are dozens, if not hundreds, of utopian novels. What makes that one special, in your view?
Kim
Thanks for clearing that up.Kim O'Hara wrote:I am not a Utopianist so your recommendation is not very useful to me.
Kim
What's rude about it/how is it rude?Kim O'Hara wrote:
- 'What is it you think you know about Skinner?' is quite rude.
I asked first. You answer. Then I will.Kim O'Hara wrote:
- You implicitly claim that you know 'the real Skinner.' On what basis? Did you study with him? Know him him personally? That's off-topic idle curiosity on my part, admittedly, since Skinner seems to have nothing to do with the topic.
Kim,Kim O'Hara wrote:danieLion wrote:
- 'What is it you think you know about Skinner?' is quite rude.
- You implicitly claim that you know 'the real Skinner.' On what basis? Did you study with him? Know him him personally? That's off-topic idle curiosity on my part, admittedly, since Skinner seems to have nothing to do with the topic....
Kim
Dragged?Kim wrote:DanieLion,
You dragged Skinner into the discussion
no...to clarify your assumptionsKim wrote:on a mistaken assumption about me
LIKEWISEKim wrote:and now seem to want to assert your expertise over mine (which you know very little about)
quantity v. qualityKim O'Hara wrote:and insist that he is central to the thread topic in spite of the fact that the first 190-odd replies to it didn't mention him.
Games? OWS is ALL games. They need a good behaviorally engineered GAME-PLAN.Kim O'Hara wrote:I don't want to play games like that.