Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

Postby Khalil Bodhi » Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:45 pm

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

Postby Prasadachitta » Sat Aug 06, 2011 2:47 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

Postby gnulnx » Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:07 pm

Will my comment add to the peace or decrease the peace?

I debated this for a while before I decided to register and then respond.
Ultimately I decided to post not because I have special insight into what
Ingram is or is not. I decided to post because I think this thread appears to
provide an open book to the thoughts of many of the posters.

In short this thread makes me sad. The delusion and dogma appear to be quite steep
with some members. Is this a Buddhist forum were the members make constant strides to
be aware of every passing thought or is this a random religious forum focused on dogmatic
detail to scripture? Is Ingrams book any more contradictory than the whole of Zen?

Can any of you honestly find fault with Ingrams teaching on meditation?
His chapter on correct meditation are about as concise and accurate as any I've as of yet found.
Is it possible that the only real issue you have with him is a claim he made?
Claiming something that a part of you obviously considers taboo?
Ponder this in it's entirety. Don't focus on whether he is an Arahat or not.
Focus on that part of you that is reacting to some part of Ingram?
What is it about him that causes your mind to push back in such away?

Lastly, what would you require of a person as proof of their enlightenment?
Are you sure it's even possible for a human to meet that definition?

When the student is ready the teacher will appear.
I appears that often times we become so focused on the inaccuracies of another
persons teaching that we fail to realize the real lesson was to found in the observation of our own aversion.

Peace.

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

Postby m0rl0ck » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:31 pm

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

Postby cooran » Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:52 pm

Hello Morlock,

One reference:

‘’Therefore, Ananda, you should not be a hasty critic of people, should not lightly pass judgement on people. One who passes judgement on people harms himself. I alone, Ananda, or one like me, can judge people.’’
………
‘’Such judgement, indeed, will for a long time cause harm and suffering to those critics.’’

From AN 6.44

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Postby tiltbillings » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:53 am

So, taking exception to Ingram's claims and teachings as they seriously deviate from the teachings of the suttas and the tradition is an inappropriate act of judgment?

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainment

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:42 am

Well said, Tilt!
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

Postby bluebuddha » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:48 pm

I was looking around at several forums to find out more information about Daniel Ingrams book "Mastering The Core Teachings of The Buddha" and see what others had to say about Mr Ingram and his book.

Looks like I came to the right place.

I am glad to read what other people have to say about all this.

I wont pass judgement on Mr Ingram or his book or judge what others have to say either.

But I am happy to read all the comments.

I do want to say "Thank You" to all those who have posted to this thread, for I have found it "enlightening"

Thanks also to the Dhamma Wheel forum for having the courage to let this thread take its course.
The non-doing of any evil,
the performance of what's skillful,
the cleansing of one's own mind:
this is the teaching of the Awakened.

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

Postby waterchan » Wed May 28, 2014 6:02 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

Postby Mkoll » Wed May 28, 2014 7:07 pm

Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

Postby waterchan » Wed May 28, 2014 7:17 pm

quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur
(Anything in Latin sounds profound.)

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Re: Ingram, et al - "Hard Core Dharma" & claims of attainmen

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed May 28, 2014 7:38 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa
Namo tassa bhagavato arahato samma sambuddhassa

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