Dry vipassana?

[danieLion]

What exactly is dry vipassana?
DanieLion

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

What exactly is dry vipassana?

Satipatthana without jhana.

Metta,
Retro.

[Mr Man]

Another unnecessary label.

[danieLion]

Greetings,

What exactly is dry vipassana?

Satipatthana without jhana.

Metta,
Retro.

Does it work? I mean, do those who do it claim it works? Are there practitioners here?

Is this covered in the jhana threads?
D

[retrofuturist]

Greetings danieLion,

Does it work? I mean, do those who do it claim it works?

Well, you get a fair assurance from the Buddha at the end of the Satipatthana Sutta and there's nothing there that says that it is necessarily practiced under the influence of jhana.

Are there practitioners here?

Yes.

Is this covered in the jhana threads?

It's sort of covered in any topics that talk about the so-called "vipassana jhanas".

Metta,
Retro.

[Ben]

Well, actually, dry vipassana usually refers to those people who develop vipassana in the complete absence of samatha. The (Abhidhammika) students of Sujin Boriharnwanaket may consider themselves suddha vipassana yanika (One who's vehicle is insight only), but I don't think they are the only ones.
The different strands of the Burmese Vipassana sub-traditions, to my knowledge, use both samatha and vipassana at different points.
Does it work? To be honest, I don't know Daniel. I do have great confidence in the efficacy of my own tradition and I think life's too short to jump ship.
kind regards,

Ben

[ground]

There has always first to be a learning which applies the knowledge of conventional words and terminology and which leads to understanding based on conventional words and terminology (initial conceptual learning). This holds true whether it is the practice of vipassana or the practice of samatha that one wants to learn and there is always analysis involved.
Then the learned has to be applied to experience (actual practice). This application again implies analysis.

To some extent concentration & calmness have to be the basis for both, the initial conceptual learning and the actual practice.

So I wonder what "dry" in the expression "dry vipassana" is referring to ... Maybe the expression is a fabrication caused by scholary/intellectual confusion?


Kind regards

[JackV]

I do have great confidence in the efficacy of my own tradition and I think life's too short to jump ship.
kind regards,

Ben

Hi Ben.

Could I enquire as to what this tradition is?

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

Is Jhāna Necessary? is an article about "Dry Insight."

Venerable Ledi Sayādaw also explains how to proceed directly to insight before attaining full absorption in his Manual of Respiration (Ānāpāna Dīpanī).

Venerable Henapola Gunaratana describes it in The Jhanas in Theravada Buddhist Meditation

Venerable Sayādaw U Pandita describes The Vipassanā Jhānas, the focusing of the mind on paramattha dhammas. Usually these are spoken of as “ultimate realities,” but actually they are just the things we can experience directly through the six sense doors without conceptualization.

[Ben]

Hi Jack,

I do have great confidence in the efficacy of my own tradition and I think life's too short to jump ship.
kind regards,

Ben

Hi Ben.

Could I enquire as to what this tradition is?

SN Goenka:
www.dhamma.org
www.vri.dhamma.org
kind regards,

Ben

[danieLion]

Well, actually, dry vipassana usually refers to those people who develop vipassana in the complete absence of samatha. The (Abhidhammika) students of Sujin Boriharnwanaket may consider themselves suddha vipassana yanika (One who's vehicle is insight only), but I don't think they are the only ones.
The different strands of the Burmese Vipassana sub-traditions, to my knowledge, use both samatha and vipassana at different points.
Does it work? To be honest, I don't know Daniel. I do have great confidence in the efficacy of my own tradition and I think life's too short to jump ship.
kind regards,

Ben

Interesting. The person who recently told me they do "dry vipassana" loves Abhidhamma--is ALL about Abhidhamma.