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Meanings of sati undebunkable once and for all

Postby Sekha » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:54 am

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Re: Meanings of sati undebunkable once and for all

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:10 am

I don't think the Buddha's teaching is in any danger of disappearing even if some people misunderstand it, or misrepresent it. It might, if people only argue about it without practising it.

or mindfulness (sati) — like most Pāli words has different meanings in different contexts.

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Postby ancientbuddhism » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:52 pm

I know I already mentioned some of this and other places, but ‘present moment awareness’ for sati is an interpretation, whereas the context of sati as it is found in the suttas will help to guide interpretation.

When that context is Ānāpānasati and Satipaṭṭhāna, there are specific tasks sati is bringing ‘recollection’ to for contemplative work; with ānāpāna to establish an expansive calm with the breath, and with satipaṭṭhāna it is working with ātāpa and sampajāna to bring effort to examination of mind-states which arise at feeling.
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Postby Sekha » Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:17 pm

Greetings Ñāṇa,

whatever amount of text you copy and paste, it is not possible to debunk what is stated in early texts with later litterature

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Postby Sekha » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:47 am

ok then, you agree with the OP.

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Re: Meanings of sati undebunkable once and for all

Postby daverupa » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:24 pm

Wait, do you think that because sammasati is one type of sati, that 'remembrance' is another type of sati?

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Postby Sekha » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:35 pm

These two meanings are related in the sense that an awareness supported by the collectedness of concentration is a necessary condition to get proper perception and understanding of what is happening in the present moment, which enables an easy recollection at a later time of what precisely was happening, of what was said, what was done at a prior moment, even a long time before. In one case sati is defined as per what is happening in the present moment, and in the other as per the qualities that develop in the bhikkhu when he has been endowed with this awareness of the present moment for a long time.
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Re: Meanings of sati undebunkable once and for all

Postby Sekha » Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:59 pm

Not to me.

In my understanding you are being mislead by the posts of Nana and Dmytro and the quotations of late dubious litterature they contain.

Whichever way you understand sati intellectually I suggest you set it aside and you focus only on the practice of anapanassati intensively for a long time. Then all your doubts will fade away, and that's the only way.

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