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Alcohol and Caffeine.

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Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby Individual » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:24 am

Do you use caffeine or alcohol? What in your opinion is the consequence for the habitual use of these two substances? On alcohol, not necessarily alcoholism, but the kind of person who likes to get drunk occasionally, or even somewhat often, but in such a way that it does not interfere with their family life or employment.
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Postby Fede » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:37 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Postby retrofuturist » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:47 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:38 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:43 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby Fede » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:26 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby Fede » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:50 pm

Now you're just being piccky.... :tongue: :stirthepot:

:namaste:
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby Mexicali » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:55 pm

I drink coffee and tea every day, but haven't had soda or energy drinks in a while. I'm shamefully caffeine-addicted; if they ever ban caffeine, I'll end up homeless and emaciated just looking to cop in some back alley. ;) I also couldn't be a bhikku for that reason unless some kind soul could bring me coffee every day.

Alcohol, not so much.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:30 pm

Alcohol: No
Caffeine: Yes, because it is in most teas:

Green tea: trace amounts
Jasmine tea: trace amounts
Black tea: medium amount
Coffee: large amount
Chocolate: trace amounts

I drink all teas, but mostly Jasmine, some coffee, and love chocolate.

I find that my mind is not effected with caffeine, unless I "accidentally" drink too much coffee in one day.
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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby vitellius » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:14 pm

I do not drink alcohol.

Usually I drink tea and more rarely coffee, - and I don't feel much effect of that. But in the middle of a recent one-month retreat I had a cup of instant coffee and had to meditate up to 2 AM after that (when bed time was at 9 PM), just because I couldn't get asleep. So, probably, there may be a reason to abstain from caffeine...

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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby davcuts » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:57 pm

I don't believe caffeine is an intoxicant at least not to the point it affects someone ability to function properly. I've never heard anyone getting a DUI from drinking coffee, tea, and soft drinks for instance. I drink four glasses of soda a day. The only thing that hurts me is if I drink it after 8pm. I tend not to be able to sleep. Still I don't feel I'm intoxicated. As for alcohol I hate it. The first time I got drunk I was 28. I'm a control freak and anything that makes me feel like I'm losing control sucks. If I have alcohol these days its a glass of wine with dinner. I've not even had a glass of wine in 5 years. I don't feel I've broken my vow of sustaining from intoxicants because of caffeine. I would if I had alcohol, especially if my intention was to get wasted. I don't feel it's even possible to get "wasted" on caffeine.

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Clear Light is Union
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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:00 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Alcohol and Caffeine.

Postby cooran » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:15 pm

Hello all,

Regarding caffeine - meindzai posted this elsewhere. Each topic has a Scientific and an Educational Paper:

The Effects of Caffeine and Coffee on Health

This series of health care papers, based on numerous medical studies, document the effects of coffee and caffeine on health conditions that affect millions of people. Coffee drinking, both decaf and regular, aggravates symptoms of a wide variety of chronic and acute conditions that increase suffering and limit people’s enjoyment of life.
Over a decade of marketing Teeccino and hearing daily of people’s experiences improving their health when they quit caffeine and coffee, has convinced me of the necessity to educate people about the health consequences of caffeine addiction.
The scientific papers with full scientific citations are designed for use by health care professionals, writers and researchers.
An educational summary for each health condition provides easy reading that covers the top reasons for being caffeine-free.

On Weight Loss
Fertility, Menopause, Breast and Uterine Health
On Aging
On Stress
Effects of Decaffeinated Coffee
On Cardiovascular Disease Including:
High Blood Pressure, Arrhythmias, High Cholesterol
On Heartburn
Acid Reflux & GERD
On Diabetes, Insulin Resistance Syndrome & Hypoglycemia
On Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Crohn's Disease & Colitis
On Interstitial Cystitis and Cystitis
http://www.teeccino.com/caffeineeffects.aspx

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