How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

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How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

Postby Tex » Fri May 01, 2009 6:48 pm

I'm curious how monks in countries without large lay Buddhist populations, like the U.S. or England, obtain their food, lodging, clothing, and medicine? I'm sure a lot is donated, but I would imagine daily alms rounds would be difficult?
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Postby gavesako » Fri May 01, 2009 6:55 pm

Here is a proof that (almost) daily almsround works in the West (Germany):

http://picasaweb.google.com/muttodaya/P ... mosengang#
http://picasaweb.google.com/muttodaya/E ... owNov2008#

Other food & requisites are brought to the monastery by laypeople on the weekends, there is usually a list of things that are needed.
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Postby pink_trike » Fri May 01, 2009 7:13 pm

Abhayagiri monastery monks walk alms rounds in Ukiah, California:

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Postby David N. Snyder » Fri May 01, 2009 7:20 pm

At one of the temples here in Las Vegas, families 'sign-up' for certain days of the month. For example, one family might sign-up for the 5th of the month and then on the 5th of each month, that family will be responsible for providing the monks with the lunch dana.

But as it turns out with many women and men both with careers, some days are empty with no family signed up for lunch dana. On those days, the monks take their cash donations, go to the grocery store, purchase food items, return and cook the food themselves.
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Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 01, 2009 8:58 pm

Greetings,

Yes, it seems to be rostered or planned in advance at the Melbourne-based Sri Lankan vihara that I've been to before.

With this advance planning, they're even going to bring me food whilst I stay there for a few days later in May. :thumbsup:

Very beneficial for me of course, though the merits obtained by the donors based on the quality of the recipient might be a bit dubious 8-)

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Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 01, 2009 9:03 pm

Greetings bhante,

Do you mean if they have an assistant taking care of the actual transactions etc.?

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Re: How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

Postby cooran » Fri May 01, 2009 9:30 pm

Hello all,

Most of the lay supporters at Dhammagiri are of Sri Lankan background. They are fastidious in assisting monks in their adherence to the Vinaya. All dana not eaten at the meal is taken home by the lay supporters. Ven. Dhammasiha, the Abbot, strictly observes the rules set down by the Buddha. Allowable drinks and medicines are kept at the Monastery. Breakfast cereals are stored by the lay people on the property, and someone is there to present these at 6.15 a.m. (approx) each day.

Actually fijinut lived there for some weeks, so he may be able to give an opinion and correct any inaccuracies in my understanding of the daily routines.

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Re: How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

Postby gavesako » Sat May 02, 2009 9:54 am

What is allowed by Vinaya is something called "meal by ticket", so if someone gives a monk a meal voucher that they can use in a cafe or takeaway, that would be OK.
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Re: How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

Postby forestmat » Sat May 02, 2009 10:57 am

I think at a pinch, a novice (samanera) could do the cooking.

But the samanera can't pop down to the local shops to buy it, because of the 10th precept:

Jatarupa-rajata-patiggahana veramani sikkhapadam samadiyami
I undertake the precept to refrain from accepting gold and silver (money).

As regards fully ordained monks using money to buy food and then cooking it, IMHO I believe it would be considered as a breach of the vinaya.

Money and monks. How often have I heard this come up in a forum. :stirthepot:

And it usually results in someone trying to give a valid explanation as to why they think it is acceptable to bend the rules.

Anyway, Just my one baht's worth.

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Re: How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

Postby Ben » Sat May 02, 2009 11:37 am

Hi Chris

So how is it going providing lunch dana to the monks at Dhammagiri? How is the cooking going?
Please let me know if you need any more recipes.
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Re: How do monks in non-Buddhist countries obtain food, etc?

Postby gavesako » Sat May 02, 2009 11:51 am

Monks were allowed to store food indoors and cook it themselves during the time of famine. Later the allowance was rescinded again by the Buddha. Some people could argue that living in unfriendly non-Buddhist environments where almsfood is hard to obtain could count as "time of famine".
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