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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Clarence » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:23 pm

Just make sure you are prepared for the chanting. :rolleye:

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby delf7 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:42 pm

CHANTING?
they really stress the whole "noble silence" thing, so i figured it'd be quiet. or, i was HOPEING.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby cooran » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:19 pm

Hello all,

Goenka retreat- aversion towards Chanting
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I'm booked for another Goenka retreat 26 Dec - 6 Jan at Pomona Queensland - hopefully work will give me leave.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:13 pm

Hi delf,
delf7 wrote:CHANTING?
they really stress the whole "noble silence" thing, so i figured it'd be quiet. or, i was HOPEING.


The chanting occurs, mainly, during the 4.30AM-6.30AM meditation in the hall and it is SN Goenka chanting different suttas.
There are a few minutes of chants at te beginning and at the end of each group sit. The chanting is done by SN Goenka and no one else.
Aversion to the chanting is a common reaction.
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby pilgrim » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:35 am

I intend to sign up for my 1st Goenka course in March. I'm impressed with the testimonials I've come across and like the fact that it starts of with 3 days of Samatha. It seems more orthodox then the "dry vipassana" approach. Although I'm aware that the chanting grates on some peoples nerves, I appreciate that it represents an anchor in the Theravada tradition, without which it becomes just another secular meditation system.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Buckwheat » Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:57 am

You got me excited... I really like chanting. It gets some blood flow, forces some deep breathing, connects the thoughts to the body, has a soothing feeling, etc. Then I realized you mean I get to listen to somebody chant on a recording.... that sounds horrible!!
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:02 am

Buckwheat wrote:You got me excited... I really like chanting. It gets some blood flow, forces some deep breathing, connects the thoughts to the body, has a soothing feeling, etc. Then I realized you mean I get to listen to somebody chant on a recording.... that sounds horrible!!

Don't let it worry you. Do what everyone else does during the chanting - meditate. If you find it really disagreeable you will probably be allowed to meditate in your room during the 4.30AM-6.30AM sitting. Also keep in mind that part of the 'training' is to develop equanimity!
All the best,

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby delf7 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:42 pm

i shall see (or hear) for myself, but now that i think about it, the chanting may be a good way to drown out other, more subtle, noises that actually may be more annoying, like someone's nose whistling, a chair creaking, etc...
and beings the chanting is only a recording of the teacher puts my mind at ease. i was envisioning a room full of people all chanting thier own things, which i think would be quite distracting.
regardless, i have applied for a course and am looking forward to hearing back from them to find out if i am accepted.
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Monkey Mind » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:20 am

My first retreat, whenever Goenka was chanting, I could not help but think of:
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At some point, I burst out laughing because I could not get this image out of my head.
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as others are, so am I."
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby delf7 » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:29 pm

FINALLY !
i have been waiting 10 days to hear the news, and i just recieved e-mail from the meditation center informing me that my application has been accepted !!!
it is still a few months away, but i am pretty excited about it.
thanx to all who gave me advice & information about the retreat.
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:54 pm

delf7 wrote:FINALLY !
i have been waiting 10 days to hear the news, and i just recieved e-mail from the meditation center informing me that my application has been accepted !!!
it is still a few months away, but i am pretty excited about it.
thanx to all who gave me advice & information about the retreat.
kind regards,
delf


Well done delf!
I have been accepted to my long-course as well!
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:36 pm

Ben wrote:
Well done delf!
I have been accepted to my long-course as well!
kind regards,

Ben


Another 30 days Ben? :smile:

You know, you never told the story of your 30 day retreat last year and I'm still pretty mad about it! :tongue:
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:48 pm

Hi MP,
I apologise I made you mad!
This year, since returning from Myanmar, has been extremely busy for me.
I will see what I can do about compiling something about my 30-day course and short pilgrimage for you in the next few days.
As for my coming course, this time its only 20 days.
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Learn this from the waters:
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tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:57 pm

I'm booked for another Goenka retreat 26 Dec - 6 Jan at Pomona Queensland -


Unfortunately, family circumstances have made it necessary for me to withdraw from the course this time. But, at least I've made someone on the waiting list very happy. :-)

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Buckwheat » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:08 am

Ben wrote:
Buckwheat wrote:You got me excited... I really like chanting. It gets some blood flow, forces some deep breathing, connects the thoughts to the body, has a soothing feeling, etc. Then I realized you mean I get to listen to somebody chant on a recording.... that sounds horrible!!

Don't let it worry you. Do what everyone else does during the chanting - meditate. If you find it really disagreeable you will probably be allowed to meditate in your room during the 4.30AM-6.30AM sitting. Also keep in mind that part of the 'training' is to develop equanimity!
All the best,

Ben

Agreed. I should have hit the sarcasm button. It shouldn't be too bad. I've already upped my meditation quite a bit, excited about my first 10-day!!
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:19 am

cooran wrote:
I'm booked for another Goenka retreat 26 Dec - 6 Jan at Pomona Queensland -


Unfortunately, family circumstances have made it necessary for me to withdraw from the course this time. But, at least I've made someone on the waiting list very happy. :-)

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I am sorry to learn of that, Chris.
I hope you get another opportunity soon.
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saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Modus.Ponens » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:24 am

Ben wrote:Hi MP,
I apologise I made you mad!
This year, since returning from Myanmar, has been extremely busy for me.
I will see what I can do about compiling something about my 30-day course and short pilgrimage for you in the next few days.
As for my coming course, this time its only 20 days.
kind regards,

Ben


Hi Ben

I was kidding, but I would apreciate very much if you could do such a thing! I waited a few months for that "report" and then gave up, but if you're willing to do it that would be very nice.

Be well.
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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:08 am

I shall do my level best over the next few days, MP!
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saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Clarence » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:40 pm

Ben wrote:I shall do my level best over the next few days, MP!
kind regards,

Ben


Ben,

I am interested in your story as well. Hope you can find the time.

BEst, C

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Re: 10-day goenka retreat

Postby Ben » Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:53 pm

Hi Clarence,

I have some free time coming up over Christmas and I hope to put something together for you.
In the interim, here's a photo of Shwedagon I took just before dawn meditation.
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

Sutta Nipata 3.725

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