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Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:48 am

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby cooran » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:24 am

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:19 am

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:52 pm

Thanks for clarifying. I think I see your point. The local vipassana group is fairly true to Theravada, with the addition of some modern psychological perspective and an emphasis on meditation, in part because they are influenced by Thai Forest approach. I did not realize there are large groups that are removed from the Theravada traditions and only use the meditation technique. Thanks.
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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Zom » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:16 pm

I can't say this about all groups. I speak only about those cases which I met. I also know people who came to Theravada via Goenka's retreats. But they are few (I can recall 3-4 such cases, while many thousands participate in this movement). But generally I think the major point here to look at - is the interest in buddhist texts. If people who practise this or that kind of meditation are interested in them - this is good. If they deny them as something not essential and speak only "about meditation" - these are usually far from Dhamma.

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby vidar » Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:47 pm

All the world is on fire, All the world is burning, All the world is ablaze, All the world is quaking. That which does not quake or blaze, That to which worldlings do not resort, Where there is no place for Mara:That is where my mind delights. (SN 5.7)

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Ben » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:02 pm

Well said, Vidar.
Like Goof, I believe the differences to be superficial.
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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Skeptic » Mon Dec 26, 2011 2:22 pm

I see these 'distinct' groups as being nothing more than different type of Theravada, even those which claims to be non-sectarian.

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby ancientbuddhism » Mon Dec 26, 2011 5:09 pm

Burmese Vipassanā is sectarian of Theravāda. As a contemplative practice taught by the Buddha it is nowhere to be found.
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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby vidar » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:17 pm

All the world is on fire, All the world is burning, All the world is ablaze, All the world is quaking. That which does not quake or blaze, That to which worldlings do not resort, Where there is no place for Mara:That is where my mind delights. (SN 5.7)

By degrees, little by little,
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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Ben » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:18 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby ancientbuddhism » Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:20 pm

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Ben » Mon Dec 26, 2011 10:51 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby ancientbuddhism » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:58 am

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby Ben » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:45 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Vipassana vs Theravada

Postby cooran » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:14 am

Hello ancientbuddhism, Ben, all,

''Tenet System'' does seem an unusual term to introduce into a discussion on a Theravada list.

My understanding of the term is that, in religion, a tenet can be a central belief or doctrine that is proclaimed to be true without scientific proof.

I don't think this could be applied to tried and tested methods of meditation.

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