Hi all,
I thought about leaving the household life after finishing military service but I don't plan to become a monk yet but rather travel around the world for some time living life in a way quite similar to the way of a bhikkhu. This may include going for alms in certain circumstances. My question is whether that may become a problem later if I decide to become ordained afterwards? I think I remember hardly that this is in conflict with the vinaya and may become a hindrance for ordination but I'm not sure...
best wishes, acinteyyo
going for alms?
going for alms?
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Re: going for alms?
I'm not sure about the Vinaya, but why would you do this anyway?acinteyyo : This may include going for alms in certain circumstances.
Why not save up before you go - like other backpackers, or get temporary jobs to cover expenses as you tour about?
There are legal restrictions against begging in many countries.
with metta
Chris
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Re: going for alms?
Hi Chris,cooran wrote:I'm not sure about the Vinaya, but why would you do this anyway?acinteyyo : This may include going for alms in certain circumstances.
Why not save up before you go - like other backpackers, or get temporary jobs to cover expenses as you tour about?
There are legal restrictions against begging in many countries.
with metta
Chris
if I really go I wouldn't use any money. I may work for food but I would go for alms if I need to get food and couldn't gather it in any other way.
I know there are legal restrictions but I wouldn't beg like asking people for money or food but just stand somewhere in the background and wait with a bowl or something. If someone asks what I'm doing here I would answer that I'm waiting here for food. Nothing more... However I don't fear any consequences by law my actions may cause.
I'm not talking about a journey like backpacking tours or something like that but rather like a hermit. The focus is on meditation, seclusion, loneliness, wandering. Contact to society is limited in order to get food and water.
best wishes, acinteyyo
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Re: going for alms?
As long as you're not impersonating a Buddhist monk, there's no problem with begging, but you won't get much if anything, and you might get arrested.
There was a time when the FST monks stopped going for alms because of uncertainty over the begging laws in the UK.
There was a time when the FST monks stopped going for alms because of uncertainty over the begging laws in the UK.
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Re: going for alms?
Thank you Bhante. I probably won't look like a buddhist monk and I don't want to appear like being one. If I don't get anything that's the way it will be as well as if I might get arrested. Society and its laws can't harm me in any way at all.Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:As long as you're not impersonating a Buddhist monk, there's no problem with begging, but you won't get much if anything, and you might get arrested.
There was a time when the FST monks stopped going for alms because of uncertainty over the begging laws in the UK.
I just wanted to know whether it may become a hindrance for ordination later on.
best wishes, acinteyyo
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Re: going for alms?
You can join monk or a group of monks going on pindapat with them.
I had such experience ,)
What you do - is help them carrying their bag/bags. After that they can share with you the food collected ,)
I had such experience ,)
What you do - is help them carrying their bag/bags. After that they can share with you the food collected ,)
Re: going for alms?
Good idea Zom, maybe I give it a try...
best wishes, acinteyyo
best wishes, acinteyyo
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Re: going for alms?
As far as i know, you should be fine waiting for food in Germany.
I talked to a beggar about this kind of stuff a while back. He told me he got into trouble for shaking his mug with coins inside because of the rattling-sound ("just" an oral warning, no fine or arrest though). After he stopped that, he could sit all day at a market, just quiet and waiting.
I'd be glad if you could tell us at some point about the experience you had there.
Best Wishes,
Alobha
I talked to a beggar about this kind of stuff a while back. He told me he got into trouble for shaking his mug with coins inside because of the rattling-sound ("just" an oral warning, no fine or arrest though). After he stopped that, he could sit all day at a market, just quiet and waiting.
I'd be glad if you could tell us at some point about the experience you had there.
Best Wishes,
Alobha
Re: going for alms?
If you dont mind travelling to Asia, I can recommend aacinteyyo wrote:Good idea Zom, maybe I give it a try...
best wishes, acinteyyo
meditation centre. It is run by a burmese monk who was
a doctor. he speaks english.
You dont have to be a monk to live at the centre, but you
do have to keep 8 precepts.
cheers.
Re: going for alms?
Thank you all for your posts. Thing is I finish military service at the earliest in 2016. I try to prepare things by then...
best wishes, acinteyyo
best wishes, acinteyyo
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Re: going for alms?
I'm just curious, but are you conscripted?acinteyyo wrote:Thank you all for your posts. Thing is I finish military service at the earliest in 2016. I try to prepare things by then...
best wishes, acinteyyo
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No I'm not. Six years ago I decided to join the german air-force voluntarily. Things have changed since then... naturally...Ytrog wrote:I'm just curious, but are you conscripted?acinteyyo wrote:Thank you all for your posts. Thing is I finish military service at the earliest in 2016. I try to prepare things by then...
best wishes, acinteyyo
best wishes, acinteyyo
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.