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Fixed Views

Postby cooran » Fri May 01, 2009 7:43 am

Hello all,

Every weekend when I go to the Dhammagiri Forest Monastery, Kholo, we recite the
Karaniya Metta Sutta - this version:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .amar.html

I'm wondering exactly what is meant by "fixed views" at the end of the Sutta:

"This is said to be the sublime abiding.
By not holding to fixed views,
The pure-hearted one, having clarity of vision,
Being freed from all sense desires,
Is not born again into this world."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .amar.html

It reminds me of the sutta where Ven. Ananda is answering questions put by
Kokanuda the wanderer:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
which has always been a little unclear to me.

Thoughts?

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Re: Fixed Views

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 01, 2009 9:55 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Fixed Views

Postby Ben » Fri May 01, 2009 11:41 am

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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Re: Fixed Views

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Fixed Views

Postby cooran » Sun May 03, 2009 9:36 pm

Hello Ajahn,

Thank you for this detailed explanation.

metta and respect,
Chris
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Re: Fixed Views

Postby mikenz66 » Sun May 03, 2009 10:17 pm

This is a useful discussion because I think it's important to draw attention to that last verse, and exactly what it means. I've heard some teachers interpret the Sutta as meaning that Metta itself sufficient for enlightenment, downplaying the importance of insight.

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