going for alms?

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going for alms?

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:24 pm

Hi all,

I thought about leaving the household life after finishing military service but I don't plan to become a monk yet but rather travel around the world for some time living life in a way quite similar to the way of a bhikkhu. This may include going for alms in certain circumstances. My question is whether that may become a problem later if I decide to become ordained afterwards? I think I remember hardly that this is in conflict with the vinaya and may become a hindrance for ordination but I'm not sure...

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Re: going for alms?

Postby cooran » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:04 pm

acinteyyo : This may include going for alms in certain circumstances.


I'm not sure about the Vinaya, but why would you do this anyway?

Why not save up before you go - like other backpackers, or get temporary jobs to cover expenses as you tour about?

There are legal restrictions against begging in many countries.

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Re: going for alms?

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:40 pm

cooran wrote:
acinteyyo : This may include going for alms in certain circumstances.


I'm not sure about the Vinaya, but why would you do this anyway?

Why not save up before you go - like other backpackers, or get temporary jobs to cover expenses as you tour about?

There are legal restrictions against begging in many countries.

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Hi Chris,

if I really go I wouldn't use any money. I may work for food but I would go for alms if I need to get food and couldn't gather it in any other way.
I know there are legal restrictions but I wouldn't beg like asking people for money or food but just stand somewhere in the background and wait with a bowl or something. If someone asks what I'm doing here I would answer that I'm waiting here for food. Nothing more... However I don't fear any consequences by law my actions may cause.
I'm not talking about a journey like backpacking tours or something like that but rather like a hermit. The focus is on meditation, seclusion, loneliness, wandering. Contact to society is limited in order to get food and water.
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Re: going for alms?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:42 pm

As long as you're not impersonating a Buddhist monk, there's no problem with begging, but you won't get much if anything, and you might get arrested.

There was a time when the FST monks stopped going for alms because of uncertainty over the begging laws in the UK.
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Postby acinteyyo » Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:53 pm

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:As long as you're not impersonating a Buddhist monk, there's no problem with begging, but you won't get much if anything, and you might get arrested.

There was a time when the FST monks stopped going for alms because of uncertainty over the begging laws in the UK.

Thank you Bhante. I probably won't look like a buddhist monk and I don't want to appear like being one. If I don't get anything that's the way it will be as well as if I might get arrested. Society and its laws can't harm me in any way at all.
I just wanted to know whether it may become a hindrance for ordination later on.

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Re: going for alms?

Postby Zom » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:18 pm

You can join monk or a group of monks going on pindapat with them.
I had such experience ,)

What you do - is help them carrying their bag/bags. After that they can share with you the food collected ,)

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Re: going for alms?

Postby acinteyyo » Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:37 pm

Good idea Zom, maybe I give it a try...


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Re: going for alms?

Postby Alobha » Tue Dec 27, 2011 12:37 am

As far as i know, you should be fine waiting for food in Germany.

I talked to a beggar about this kind of stuff a while back. He told me he got into trouble for shaking his mug with coins inside because of the rattling-sound ("just" an oral warning, no fine or arrest though). After he stopped that, he could sit all day at a market, just quiet and waiting.

I'd be glad if you could tell us at some point about the experience you had there.

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Re: going for alms?

Postby hermitwin » Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:15 pm

acinteyyo wrote:Good idea Zom, maybe I give it a try...


best wishes, acinteyyo


If you dont mind travelling to Asia, I can recommend a
meditation centre. It is run by a burmese monk who was
a doctor. he speaks english.
You dont have to be a monk to live at the centre, but you
do have to keep 8 precepts.

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Postby acinteyyo » Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:15 pm

Thank you all for your posts. Thing is I finish military service at the earliest in 2016. I try to prepare things by then...

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Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Api cāhaṃ, āvuso, imasmiṃyeva byāmamatte kaḷevare, sasaññimhi samanake lokañca paññāpemi lokasamudayañca lokanirodhañca lokanirodhagāminiñca paṭipadan. (AN4.45)

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Re: going for alms?

Postby Ytrog » Tue Dec 27, 2011 10:23 pm

acinteyyo wrote:Thank you all for your posts. Thing is I finish military service at the earliest in 2016. I try to prepare things by then...

best wishes, acinteyyo

I'm just curious, but are you conscripted?
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Re: going for alms?

Postby acinteyyo » Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:50 pm

Ytrog wrote:
acinteyyo wrote:Thank you all for your posts. Thing is I finish military service at the earliest in 2016. I try to prepare things by then...

best wishes, acinteyyo

I'm just curious, but are you conscripted?

No I'm not. Six years ago I decided to join the german air-force voluntarily. Things have changed since then... naturally...

best wishes, acinteyyo
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Api cāhaṃ, āvuso, imasmiṃyeva byāmamatte kaḷevare, sasaññimhi samanake lokañca paññāpemi lokasamudayañca lokanirodhañca lokanirodhagāminiñca paṭipadan. (AN4.45)

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