vow of silence
vow of silence
why do some monks take vows of silence for life? metta, befriend
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what tradision are you on about? I only know of this in the christian monastic tradition and only the more cloistered ones!befriend wrote:why do some monks take vows of silence for life? metta, befriend
within buddhism this sort of behaviour is discouraged by the vinaya as there is an encouragement to talk to each other about problems with practice, difficulties, or even personal issues with another, see the ten topics of conversation, or admonishment on access to insight/Buddhist Monastic Code. and as right speech is also part of the path....
edit - I should point out that needless talking is discouraged.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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hahahah probably from watching hangover 2 where they go to a thailand. not a very good resource for buddhism. and mad tv where a phoney steven segal gets mad at a monk for not talking. oh man.
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talk about 'wrong forum'.... perhaps a little more research other than watching a second-rate b-movie might have been in order....
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Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself.
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yeah thats why i asked here.
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no idea how to get video to embed on here but about 50 secs in!
no idea how to get video to embed on here but about 50 secs in!
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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Be nice now Alex...
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Hi Manapa,Manapa wrote:http://youtu.be/SYkbqzWVHZI
no idea how to get video to embed on here but about 50 secs in!
Didn't you mean this one?
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sorry Bhante.appicchato wrote:Be nice now Alex...
befriend, I apologise for my tone.
I. possibly the greatest doofus-noodle you could ever meet, should be the last one making such observations.
(but I still think Steven Segal's films should not be taken as points of reliable reference - particularly in isolation to everything else!)
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.
Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!
Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself.
I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?!
http://www.armchairadvice.co.uk/relationships/forum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!
Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself.
I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?!
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I couldn't remember which scene that was in my python knowledge is waning since I havn't watched it in over 2 yearsreflection wrote:Hi Manapa,Manapa wrote:http://youtu.be/SYkbqzWVHZI
no idea how to get video to embed on here but about 50 secs in!
Didn't you mean this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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but I shall guard my memory with a nine bladed sword not 2 not 5 not 7 but a nine bladed sword or I will not be able to find what was put there only the night before by my father
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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thanks for the apology. vows of silence dont sound that far fetched as meditators observe noble silence on retreats, and talking for entertainment isnt very condusive to eradicating desire. metta, befriend
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A vow of silence has some similarity to a dhutanga: an austerity which distances one from worldliness, and reinforces commitment to their practice.
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yeah but it isn't a dhutanga! out of the thirteen speaking isn't covered!Viscid wrote:A vow of silence has some similarity to a dhutanga: an austerity which distances one from worldliness, and reinforces commitment to their practice.
noble silence isn't the same as a vow of silence and is what I described above.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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In my personal experience, two things are not that hard: talking too much, or not talking at all. What is more challenging is talking only when necessary, or only when it is conducive to the benefit of self or others.
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I know, I know.Manapa wrote:yeah but it isn't a dhutanga! out of the thirteen speaking isn't covered!Viscid wrote:A vow of silence has some similarity to a dhutanga: an austerity which distances one from worldliness, and reinforces commitment to their practice.
'has some similarity to' meaning someone might be motivated to make a vow of silence for the same reasons that one make undertake a few dhutangas. It's a way to live which may be beneficial for their practice. (Though I imagine for Christians, such a vow could be a gesture of obedience to God)
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