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vow of silence

Postby befriend » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:26 pm

why do some monks take vows of silence for life? metta, befriend
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Re: vow of silence

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:49 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: vow of silence

Postby befriend » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:27 am

hahahah probably from watching hangover 2 where they go to a thailand. not a very good resource for buddhism. and mad tv where a phoney steven segal gets mad at a monk for not talking. oh man.
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Re: vow of silence

Postby Fede » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:39 am

talk about 'wrong forum'.... :roll: perhaps a little more research other than watching a second-rate b-movie might have been in order.... :jedi:
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: vow of silence

Postby befriend » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:17 am

yeah thats why i asked here.
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Re: vow of silence

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:18 am

http://youtu.be/SYkbqzWVHZI

no idea how to get video to embed on here but about 50 secs in!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: vow of silence

Postby appicchato » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:38 am

Be nice now Alex... :smile:

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Re: vow of silence

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Re: vow of silence

Postby Fede » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:52 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: vow of silence

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:38 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: vow of silence

Postby befriend » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:38 pm

thanks for the apology. vows of silence dont sound that far fetched as meditators observe noble silence on retreats, and talking for entertainment isnt very condusive to eradicating desire. metta, befriend
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Re: vow of silence

Postby Viscid » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:02 pm

A vow of silence has some similarity to a dhutanga: an austerity which distances one from worldliness, and reinforces commitment to their practice.
"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: vow of silence

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:59 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: vow of silence

Postby manas » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:18 pm

In my personal experience, two things are not that hard: talking too much, or not talking at all. What is more challenging is talking only when necessary, or only when it is conducive to the benefit of self or others.
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: vow of silence

Postby Viscid » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:29 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: vow of silence

Postby perkele » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:46 am

I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.

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Re: vow of silence

Postby Ben » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:49 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: vow of silence

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:22 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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