vow of silence

[perkele]

I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.

[Ben]

I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.

Ah yes, but what is the context?

There is also another sutta where the Buddha admonishes Sariputta and Mogallana Theras for bringing a bunch of 500 chattering and rowdy monks to the forest where the Buddha was abiding. The Buddha up and left, whereupon Sariputta and Mogallana went and requested the Buddha to continue to lead the sangha.
kind regards,

Ben

[Cittasanto]

I remember a sutta where the Buddha admonishes a group of monks for their having taken on the practice of silence during the rains retreat and not talked to each other.

Ah yes, but what is the context?

There is also another sutta where the Buddha admonishes Sariputta and Mogallana Theras for bringing a bunch of 500 chattering and rowdy monks to the forest where the Buddha was abiding. The Buddha up and left, whereupon Sariputta and Mogallana went and requested the Buddha to continue to lead the sangha.
kind regards,

Ben

There is another sutta Identical in almost all details to the one perkele mentioned and I mentioned in my first post on this thread!
the bigest difference is that the monks talked Dhamma or meditated together on observance nights (that is my impression anyway but may be wrong in the reason for the meeting?) and only talked what was nececery! no needless chatter or silence, when there was a problem they tried to sort it out! they discussed the training and their insights with each other! that is the difference, the context although I do not have the relevant text at hand does seam to be the inclination to be extream with the speech either in silence or chatter! and if you look at the speech aspect of the texts (sutta & vinaya) it is very detailed, and there are some rules which can be broken by speech even if it is not a rule directly related to speech, take murder & theft from the Patimokha as example both can be broken via speech not solely ones own body action.