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Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Sekha » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:04 am

what about watching youtube videos, some of which are put online without the consent of their author, but it is impossible for the user to know which ones?
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Beneath the Wheel » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:28 am

In that case, I would suppose that, since the precept is being "violated" unknowingly, there shouldn't be as much of a problem. I would assume this is the same as accidentally stepping on a bug - since the action is not being undertaken with such a thought or intention in mind.

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Jaidyn » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:27 am

I thought copyright was theft... :tongue:

Someone was thinking similar thoughts: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 621AAldL1h

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Moth » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:52 am

I used to download everything, now I refrain. Personally, I would argue that it is sharing but for me the risk is not worth the reward. It also prevent me from wasting a lot of time watching movies and listening to music, which are just sense desires and distractions. Ultimately I believe it is to your benefit to avoid it. The feeling of being certain in your own morality is more valuable than any torrent.
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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:54 pm

How does stealing someone's intellectual property differ from stealing his/her material chattels? This is the question. In my opinion, no difference.

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby pilgrim » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:54 am

If I see a picture or file on the Net, I have a right to assume I can copy it unless the owner installs some software to inform me otherwise. Similarly, others have a right to take candid photos of me unless I tell them not to do so.

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Postby Alex123 » Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:02 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Does illegal downloading violate the 2nd precept?

Postby Beneath the Wheel » Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:16 pm

You're right. You aren't actually causing a loss of goods, or income, but you are directly violating the wishes of the content's creator. Don't you think that is something you should be considering? The fact that by accessing someone's created work and doing so against their wishes, thereby causing them suffering, is something you should probably not be doing? It seems like a very simple matter to me.

The fact that the object being "taken" is non-physical certainly does not change the nature of the interaction, which is normally done in exchange for some amount of money. By failing to follow that method of exchange, you are taking something, whether that is a service, or software, that is not being freely and willingly given to you by the creator. Do you think it's ok to sneak into a movie theatre illegally? I mean after all, you're not actually TAKING anything from them right? You're not costing them any money. Is that ok to do?

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