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Householders Breaking the Five Precepts - Dhamma Wheel

Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby clw_uk » Tue May 05, 2009 9:51 pm

Greetings


If a householder breaks one (or more) of the precepts, is there any kind of "confession" or way of redemption from the negative kamma of breaking them? Or does one just reconise the mistake and try to correct it for the future?



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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby Ben » Tue May 05, 2009 10:12 pm

Hi Craig

I think the most important thing is to recite your vows again and make a decision with adhitthana not to break the precepts again. And maintain your daily practice.
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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby Cittasanto » Tue May 05, 2009 10:14 pm

I try to just make a resolve not to do it again, and reflect on the particular precept


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby clw_uk » Tue May 05, 2009 10:18 pm

Thanks both for the advice, been helpful :smile:


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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby clw_uk » Tue May 05, 2009 10:27 pm

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby retrofuturist » Tue May 05, 2009 10:52 pm

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby forestmat » Wed May 06, 2009 1:17 am

Greetings,

the five precepts for a layperson are known as 'training' precepts. As such, if one fails to keep one or more of them, it's no big problem. One should ideally make a firmer commitment to try harder the next time. There is no 'sin' attached to having broken them.

After having practiced the precepts for a period of time, one begins to realize that they are in fact a great protection rather than a 'restriction'.

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby Fede » Fri May 08, 2009 3:16 pm

Interpretation is a funny thing, isn't it?
In my opinion (and I do hope to be corrected, or re-guided if I am mistaken) the third precept has always referred to sexual misconduct. I think the inference of there being sensual desires, such as gluttony and other wants, are legitimate, but I have not come across this as indicative of 3rd Precept teachings....

Even half a glass of alcohol can affect people. Substances and Medication deliberately taken to alter the Mind's workings are discouraged.
prescriptive medication of course, doesn't count....
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Re: Householders Breaking the Five Precepts

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 08, 2009 3:45 pm

because the 3rd precept doesn't change much between the 5 & 8 I would say the 3rd precept is just about sex, and sensual indulgence as a whole would be covered within the 4th & 5th.
as for your second question about the 5th I'd say yes

Five precepts
1. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking life.
2. I undertake the training rule to abstain from taking what is not given.
3. I undertake the training rule to abstain from sexual misconduct today.
4. I undertake the training rule to abstain from false speech.
5. I undertake the training rule to abstain from drinks [and drugs] that cause heedlessness.[4]

Eight precepts
1. I undertake to abstain from taking life (both human and non-human).
2. I undertake to abstain from taking what is not given (stealing).
3. I undertake to abstain from all sexual activity.
4. I undertake to abstain from telling lies.
5. I undertake to abstain from using intoxicating drinks and drugs which lead to carelessness.
6. I undertake to abstain from eating at the wrong time (the right time is eating once, after sunrise, before noon).
7. I undertake to abstain from singing, dancing, playing music, attending entertainment performances, wearing perfume, and using cosmetics and garlands (decorative accessories).
8. I undertake to abstain from luxurious places for sitting or sleeping.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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