Ordination despite of child

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Ordination despite of child

Postby Nehemia83 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:39 pm

Hi everybody,

would it be possible to ordain as a monk if one has a little child to leave or would he be required to fulfill his duty as a responsible father and give up his dream of ordination??

Thanks for your opinions..

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Re: Ordination despite of child

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Viscid » Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:54 pm

And leave mom to raise a child by herself because you want to escape the burden? That seems like a fairly cowardly thing to do.
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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Nehemia83 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:03 pm

i can assure you that it has nothing at all to do with escaping any burden! What should one do if he has this strong feeling inside that he should go for a spiritual life because he knows that living a normal material life would never satisfy him or make him happy?

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby santa100 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:25 pm

One option is to wait until the child reaches 18. While waiting, you can still practice the Dhamma as a lay follower. Consider this the trial period to practice virtues of patience and contentment, which are very important for both lay and monastic lives..

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby manas » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:27 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Fede » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:29 pm

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby manas » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:35 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Fede » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:44 pm

Last edited by Fede on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Buckwheat » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:53 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:35 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Dan74 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:51 pm

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby bodom » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:44 am

To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
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with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Nehemia83 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:00 am

Well the situation is that i am not married to my partner (actually never considered married life fitting for me) and i have a lovely little daughter (three years of age). I would never just pack my stuff and leave her, although the child wasn´t really planned she´s the queen of my heart. But on the other hand i have recognized that this "normal" life isn´t and probably will never really work for me. I am more of a spiritual person and i am on a search for meaning and happiness since i am 14 (now 29). I am a regular meditator also..

I know that becoming a monk would be the right thing for me but on the other hand leaving my daughter behind isn´t an option at all!

So you see this creates suffering..

But i have the responsibility as a father to be there for my child at least until she reaches a age where she probably can continue her walk of life without her father right by her side..

I guess i have to practice patience and wait..

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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby Ben » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:29 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Ordination despite of child

Postby manas » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:53 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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