Precepts in different groups

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Training of Sila, the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).

Precepts in different groups

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:09 am

Hi All,
I have of late become more interested in the precepts different groups use, I understand that tiratana uses 10 precepts for their 'ordained' members and the mittas use the five, or 8 and the Buddhist Group of Kendal have a couple of different precept goupings.
I am wondering if there are any other groups who use precepts not exactly found in the canon, although derived from there?
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
User avatar
Cittasanto
 
Posts: 5687
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin

Re: Precepts in different groups

Postby chownah » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:52 pm

There is a Buddhist group called the Noble Ones and they all follow four precepts which are unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives and priests. What are these four precepts?
Any clothing at all will do.
Any food at all will do.
Any abode at all will do.
Finding pleasure and delight in developing (skillful mental qualities) and finding pleasure and delight in abandoning (unskillful mental qualities).

Find out more about it here:
AN 4.28 PTS: A ii 27
Ariya-vamsa Sutta: The Discourse on the Traditions of the Noble Ones
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

chownah
chownah
 
Posts: 2564
Joined: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:19 pm

Re: Precepts in different groups

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:49 pm

chownah wrote:There is a Buddhist group called the Noble Ones and they all follow four precepts which are unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives and priests. What are these four precepts?
Any clothing at all will do.
Any food at all will do.
Any abode at all will do.
Finding pleasure and delight in developing (skillful mental qualities) and finding pleasure and delight in abandoning (unskillful mental qualities).

Find out more about it here:
AN 4.28 PTS: A ii 27
Ariya-vamsa Sutta: The Discourse on the Traditions of the Noble Ones
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

chownah


:cry:
lol forgot about those guys :rolleye:
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
User avatar
Cittasanto
 
Posts: 5687
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin

Re: Precepts in different groups

Postby daverupa » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:02 pm

Do bodhisattva vows count?
    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.

    "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
User avatar
daverupa
 
Posts: 4061
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Re: Precepts in different groups

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:22 pm

daverupa wrote:Do bodhisattva vows count?


Theravada for the Modern world sub-forum so no.
yes the Tiratana/FWBO/WBO aren't strictly theravada but claim to be non-denominational so I feel their precepts would count in this threat/forum, but something purely mahayana would be out of place.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
User avatar
Cittasanto
 
Posts: 5687
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin

Re: Precepts in different groups

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:04 pm

from the canon with an interesting passage underlined about the Brahmacari precept.
Snp 2.14
PTS: Sn 376-378, 383-404
Dhammika Sutta: Dhammika wrote:
"Now I will tell you the layman's duty. Following it a lay-disciple would be virtuous; for it is not possible for one occupied with the household life to realize the complete bhikkhu practice (dhamma).

"He should not kill a living being, nor cause it to be killed, nor should he incite another to kill. Do not injure any being, either strong or weak, in the world.

"A disciple should avoid taking anything from anywhere knowing it (to belong to another). He should not steal nor incite another to steal. He should completely avoid theft.

"A wise man should avoid unchastity as (he would avoid falling into) a pit of glowing charcoal. If unable to lead a celibate life, he should not go to another's wife.

"Having entered a royal court or a company of people he should not speak lies. He should not speak lies (himself) nor incite others to do so. He should completely avoid falsehood.

"A layman who has chosen to practice this Dhamma should not indulge in the drinking of intoxicants. He should not drink them nor encourage others to do so; realizing that it leads to madness. Through intoxication foolish people perform evil deeds and cause other heedless people to do likewise. He should avoid intoxication, this occasion for demerit, which stupefies the mind, and is the pleasure of foolish people.
Do not kill a living being; do not take what is not given; do not speak a lie; do not drink intoxicants; abstain from sexual intercourse; do not eat food at night, at the wrong time; do not wear flower-garlands nor use perfumes; use the ground as a bed or sleep on a mat.

"This is called the eight-factored observance made known by the Awakened One who has reached the end of suffering.

"With a gladdened mind observe the observance day (uposatha), complete with its eight factors, on the fourteenth, fifteenth and eighth days of the (lunar) fortnight and also the special holiday of the half month. In the morning, with a pure heart and a joyful mind, a wise man, after observing the uposatha, should distribute suitable food and drink to the community of bhikkhus. He should support his mother and father as his duty and engage in lawful trading. A layman who carries this out diligently goes to the devas called "Self-radiant."
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
User avatar
Cittasanto
 
Posts: 5687
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:31 pm
Location: Ellan Vannin


Return to Ethical Conduct

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests