Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
The second fetter is doubt (vicikiccha). The fifth hindrance is doubt (vicikiccha). Does this mean that a stream-enterer no longer experiences the fetter of doubt, whatsoever, in any form?
Re: Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
Hello beoman,
Here are some suttas and teachings on Stream Entry –
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... tml#stream" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
including why uncertainty doesn’t arise
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
Here are some suttas and teachings on Stream Entry –
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/index-su ... tml#stream" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
including why uncertainty doesn’t arise
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
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Re: Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
Hi!
Interesting question.
The second fetter is also translated as "skepticism" or I would say "doubt about the dhamma". Because a stream enterer directly has seen the no-self, there would be no doubt about the words of the Buddha anymore. However, doubt about other things -like ones own capacities- are not included in this and can than still arise. By this reasoning, I don't think a SE has removed one of the 5 hindrances in meditation forever.
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Interesting question.
The second fetter is also translated as "skepticism" or I would say "doubt about the dhamma". Because a stream enterer directly has seen the no-self, there would be no doubt about the words of the Buddha anymore. However, doubt about other things -like ones own capacities- are not included in this and can than still arise. By this reasoning, I don't think a SE has removed one of the 5 hindrances in meditation forever.
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Re: Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
I guess that a stream enterer might have some doubt about whether this or that translation of what the Buddha taught was correct or not. Since there are at least two translations and interpretations for every teaching and if a stream enterer couldn't doubt one of them then she would have to accept both of them and that seems sort of untenable....I guess....
Could it be that having faith in the Buddha had a different meaning when he was still alive and directly accessable and that now we need to work a bit harder at finding the meaning of "faith in the Buddha" or even "faith in the teachings of the Buddha" today?
chownah
Could it be that having faith in the Buddha had a different meaning when he was still alive and directly accessable and that now we need to work a bit harder at finding the meaning of "faith in the Buddha" or even "faith in the teachings of the Buddha" today?
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Re: Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
I remember readin Thanissaro Bhikkhus study guide on streementry, it was very interesting, but he links this to Kamma and its workings.
one may not understand Kamma in all its nuances but they trust the principles, the path & fruit etc because they hold right view.
I found this useful
one may not understand Kamma in all its nuances but they trust the principles, the path & fruit etc because they hold right view.
I found this useful
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
That seems to be more about Arahants than Stream-Enterers. Arahants havecooran wrote:including why uncertainty doesn’t arise
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
ended all views; stream-enterers, only personality-belief-views, no?
Re: Stream-Entry and Hindrance of Doubt
Hello beoman, all,
This table may be helpful for you:
Qualities of Ariya Persons
http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/ariyas4.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
This table may be helpful for you:
Qualities of Ariya Persons
http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/ariyas4.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---