Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

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Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Wed May 06, 2009 8:47 pm

The solidity of my Awakening is very obvious to me. There is no doubt. It happened rather quickly after one reading of Wings to Awakening. If people come up to me out of nowhere or if others hear me talking to people who come to me, what is the accepted way to handle it? So far, I have done what was done for me by the one who introduced me to Theravada by pointing them to Wings of Awakening. Is this enough? If they notice me as a holy man, should I impart the Awakening to them as well with my good will? I also seem to be able to heal people with one touch. Should I do this?

I am also concerned about looking religious. This is such a real experience that I would not like people to make the mistake of getting overly dogmatic or to start worshipping me or following me. I don’t really want that. Any suggestions? Or am I supposed to just hide for a while until I find the answers within myself? Because that is entirely possible as well.
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Postby clw_uk » Wed May 06, 2009 9:02 pm

Im a bit confused, are you declaring arahantship?


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Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Wed May 06, 2009 9:06 pm

As Milarepa said, know emptiness, be compassionate :anjali:


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Postby pink_trike » Wed May 06, 2009 9:41 pm

Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Postby Cittasanto » Wed May 06, 2009 9:49 pm

go to the most awful place you can think of for a week, and see just how awakened you are!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby Ben » Wed May 06, 2009 10:07 pm

Hi Flyingox

I would like to reiterate Pink's advice and get some feedback from a Theravada teacher.
In the interim, continue to observe all phenomena as impermanent, a source of suffering when an object of attachment, and ultimately, not self.
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Wed May 06, 2009 11:20 pm

Clw_uk, I am not declaring anything. I am just telling you my experience. Like I said, this has happened so fast. Just last week, I was raging with anger, hate, had arthritis, had asthma, hated life, was depressed, didn’t believe in anything other than myself, and then someone special offered The Wings to Awakening to me. I read it. I now have no arthritis, I can breathe like never before, I love all life, I am filled with contentment and peace, and I know for certain that I have seen all of my past lives, I have seen the other side where there is no death, and I have no craving for anything of this world. I am not bothered by loud noises, my neighbor who I once hated who burns stinking trash, the smell does not bother me, and I have nothing but love for him. I have no enemies, and I can only hope that the whole world can feel this blessed. I don’t know what you would call that, but that is my honest experience. I do not know all of the Buddhist terminology. I don’t know the religious protocol, but I do know that if just reading this book once does all of this for me, it must be the true way.

Ngawang Drolma, yes, absolutely.

Pink_trike, I will certainly do that. At the present time, I have to finish up this semester at school. It is finals week. I am studying to be a computer engineer with an emphasis in neural networking. I was just about to give up because I was having difficulty concentrating. I can now concentrate and understand just about everything that I try to understand. There is an absolute silence while I study, now. There is no more whirling. It is so nice.

Manapa, I was there last week. I wanted to die. In a way I did. Now I fly.

Ben, I do not only observe all phenomena to be impermanent, I know it is so, other than the deathless. Again, I am not wanting attention, but I do want my friends to be happy if they are hurting. I should probably avoid people for a while. I have not shared anything with anyone other than pointing to The Wings to Awakening.
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby Cittasanto » Wed May 06, 2009 11:25 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby zavk » Wed May 06, 2009 11:34 pm

Dear flyingox,

I'm glad that you have found some relief. I think everyone here is happy for you.

But if you say that you now appreciate the impermanence of all things, then perhaps this state of peace you currently feel is also impermanent.

I don't know how the weather is like where you live, but over here, we sometimes get an odd day or two of nice mild weather in the midst of winter. But I wouldn't start packing away my warm clothes and book myself into a holiday house by the beach. For winter is not yet over, and even if it were, it doesn't mean that it won't come around again, if only to pass away again and again.

All the best to you anyway... take care.
With metta,
zavk

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Wed May 06, 2009 11:36 pm

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Postby flyingOx » Wed May 06, 2009 11:41 pm

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Postby pink_trike » Thu May 07, 2009 12:39 am

Zavk's mention of the seasons is a good reminder that our mental events are often partly products of external seasonal energies. In classical chinese medical philosophy, for example, there is described a pattern of mental states that rise and fall with the cycles of the seasons:

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Spring moves the mind vigorously which can often lead to heightened organization and productivity, but that can also lead to confusion, difficulty with concentration, irritation, and anger.

Summer moves the heart which can often lead to an expansive mind state, heightened clarity, generosity, and the experience of peace and love - but that can also lead to ungrounded mind states and forms of hysteria.

Late Summer moves the center of the body (spleen/digestive system) which can lead to a mind state of contentment and centered-ness and balance, but that can also lead to chaotic thinking, the inability to make decisions, and resentment.

Fall moves the lungs, which can result in heightened productivity and the mind-state of empathy, but it can also lead to states of grasping and/or over-asserting.

Winter moves the kidneys, which can result in a a heightened sense of security and well-being, but that can also lead to depression and fear.

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Classic chinese medical dating of the seasons is a bit different to what we're accustomed to noticing in the West. For example, right now in this view, May 8th (this year) is the peak of Summer when heart energy is at it's peak ascendancy (in the West we think this is the only the beginning of Summer). Many of us are currently experiencing a sense of expansiveness, peace, relaxation, and heightened love and understanding. This will pass. This heightened state of heart awareness will gradually descend into Late Summer...a time noted in the garden as the great ripening that is mixed up with a great rotting. And in Fall it is a time to plow the garden under and let go - which is followed by the dark of winter when all of life seeks dormant shelter. And then Spring moves the mind out of dormancy again - and so we experience cycle after cycle after cycle.

We can very clearly observe these seasonal patterns in our own life (keeping a dated journal for several years is very revealing), in the actions of the larger human community, and in the garden - but especially in the movement of the mind. It's useful for us to see that the mind-states that arise during the cycling of the seasons aren't permanent and are conditioned. They will pass, so we shouldn't attempt to cling to them or rebirth ourselves with them. We do best when we don't take them too seriously, learn from them, kiss them on the fly and let em go - rather then getting sticky with them and building them into mountains in our mind/body/actions/speech.

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I've often wondered if there is any similar sense of the effects of the cycling seasons on the movement of the mind in Theravada. Has anyone seen anything similar in any sutta?
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Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Disclaimer: I'm a non-religious practitioner of Theravada, Mahayana/Vajrayana, and Tibetan Bon Dzogchen mind-training.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Thu May 07, 2009 12:58 am

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Thu May 07, 2009 2:45 am

I thank you all for your input. I have decided not to do any kind of ministering to anyone. I have also decided to go into the wilderness on a survival outing as soon as finals are over. I will only have my clothes on my body. I will spend the enire summer in the woods living off of whatever I find or don't find for bodily sustenance. Peace to all.
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