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Re: white robes

Postby Sylvester » Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:00 am

From an old post by Ven Dhammanando -

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=455#p10508

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Re: white robes

Postby beeblebrox » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:43 pm

It could be that "white robes" = "plainclothes"... as in "plainclothes detective". These people are in plainclothes... that's why Nigrodha had to point it out. Maybe this is the reason why Ven Dhammanando said that it was an idiom. :anjali:

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: white robes

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: white robes

Postby beeblebrox » Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:06 pm

I think you misunnderstood... Ven Dhammanando's point was that a white-robed person would be someone who is adhered to the precepts, but still wearing ordinary clothings. :anjali:

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Re: white robes

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: white robes

Postby beeblebrox » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:53 pm

Nigrodha wasn't pointing out the clothes... he was pointing out the follower of the precepts. It's as if you're pointing out the policeman to someone by saying that he's "plainclothes."

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Re: white robes

Postby beeblebrox » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:06 pm

Is wearing a white robe part of the precepts? Maybe this is a weak argument... but it's not inconceivable to me that it might've been an idiom. I seem to recall Ven Dhammanando is an expert in Pali. :anjali:

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Re: white robes

Postby Mr Man » Thu Jan 26, 2012 3:40 pm

In Thailand a candidate for ordination who has shaved his head and wears white is called a Nak, which I believe is derived from anagarika. As I understand it, it the name given for the transition from being a lay person to a mendicant.

I imagine that In ancient India, as in India of today it was fairly common to dress in white. Do you think that possibly going to the temple in ones best white cloths on uposatha day is similar to the tradition of wearing "sunday best"?

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Re: white robes

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: white robes

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: white robes

Postby Anagarika » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:50 pm

On this page you can see the standard white clothing that is sold in many Thai street shops that carry Buddhist goods:

http://monkordination.com/?p=1

Not sure if there are any online sellers, but these "whites" were worn by the lay men and women at the Temple. The men depicted here were in the pre-stages of study and practice, before ordaining as Samanera.

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Re: white robes

Postby fabianfred » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:13 am

Aside from the wearing of white shirts/pants by lay-followers on retreat or attending temple services, in Thailand some females choose to wear a white sarong and a shoulder cloth.
There is also the Naga who is a male about to ordain as a monk who wears the white sarong and a white vest which is across the upper body diagonally....usually after his head shaving ceremony.
Another type is the Pakhow (white cloth) who is in training before becoming a Novice and he wears the same as the Naga and has his head shaved. In the tradition at Wat Pah nanachart they are required to be Pakhow for six months then Novice for a year before being allowed to ordain as a monk.

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Re: white robes

Postby Biija » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:36 pm

Hi everyone! I'm going to arrive at Wat Pah Nanachat on January 2, 2014 to live there as an anagarika. I need to know if I must buy the white robes or if the WPN provides it. If I have to buy, where could I find it in Bangkok near the International Airport or in Ubon Ratchathani near the airport, too?

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Re: white robes

Postby David N. Snyder » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:17 pm

Why not ask the people at Wat Pah Nanachat? I am sure they won't mind you asking a few important questions like that.

Anyway, good luck with the noble plans!
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Re: white robes

Postby gavesako » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:37 am

They should have white clothes for you, or they can tell you where to go to buy some (probably just in the village nearby).
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