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Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

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Postby flyingOx » Thu May 07, 2009 9:39 pm

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Postby pink_trike » Thu May 07, 2009 9:39 pm

He has, however, said some things that give some of us cause for concern about his well-being . Many of us here hope he shares his experience with a qualified Dharma teacher. If the sensations persist, I agree with a previous poster that seeking professional mental health care advise would be a wise caution.
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Postby Tex » Fri May 08, 2009 12:48 am

"To reach beyond fear and danger we must sharpen and widen our vision. We have to pierce through the deceptions that lull us into a comfortable complacency, to take a straight look down into the depths of our existence, without turning away uneasily or running after distractions." -- Bhikkhu Bodhi

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." -- Heraclitus

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

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Postby Mexicali » Fri May 08, 2009 3:56 am

Mention to the shrink that you've come to believe that you've been universally awakened and have magic healing powers and I think you'll get a different answer.

I'm really not trying to be a jerk here but you clearly need to talk to somebody. I have seen this happen before in real life and it's never ended well.
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Postby pink_trike » Fri May 08, 2009 5:09 am

I'm not convinced that you (flyingOx) aren't a troll who is baiting us with an imaginative story for sport.

But if not, then I agree with Mexicali - much of what you wrote is cause for concern (especially your certainty) and I really sat up and took note when I read that you claim that you now can heal people by touching them, and that you're concerned that people will worship you (if you aren't a troll, then this is a fairly obvious projection of a belief that you should be worshipped). That, coupled with your claim that you will wander in the wilderness with only the clothes on your back triggered real concern (dangerous superhuman/martyr fantasy). Having been both a psychotherapist and a seasoned wilderness wanderer - both claims are cause for me to hope that you'll ground this mind-experience with feedback from a qualified Dharma teacher, or seek professional mental health care advice.
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Fri May 08, 2009 4:01 pm

This is a place where spiritual people gather. Saying things in spiritual ways are what I do when around other spiritual people. Why wouldn't I? If I were around a shrink, I would speak as the world speaks. Around spiritual people I speak like spiritual people. The healing thing, like I said was only with my mother at the same time that I was healing myself. If you think that that is a cause for concern, then I feel sorry for YOU. And with people who notice me as being enlightened, it is only my close friends at school. Now, I would not and do not come up to them and act like their spiritual leader. My concern in posting this was hopefully to be able to talk to others who have gone through what I am going through. I had the impression that if one followed exactly what the Buddha taught, then all Buddhists would experience what I am experiencing. Perhaps I was wrong, or perhaps...well, I won't go there.

Also, as far as going on a survival expedition, with meditation in mind, I am already an experienced survivalist in the woods. I have been doing that all my life. I also have been studying the spiritual texts of all other faiths as well. However, it was not until I got to Buddhism that I was awakened, and that is as far as I am going to say about this subject anymore. I'm sorry that you don't get it. Truly, I am.

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Postby pink_trike » Fri May 08, 2009 4:52 pm

I don't think you'll find much support here for your "awakening" experience. Many of us in our explorations of the mind have visited mental realms where we thought we "got it" fully, only to see "it" fade away. The bliss realms of the mind are illusory and very seductive. Your experience is actually pretty ordinary in this respect. The real challenge is to not get sucked into the blissful "enlightenment" charade that the ego is serving up - it's just more mental vomit. Noting it, and then bringing the awareness back to the breath is often a good antidote. And sometimes the mind will run with it too far - in this case professional help may be required, particularly if you don't have access to an experienced Dharma teacher.

I, and I'm sure others here, invite you to hang around, listen, and ask questions. Best wishes to you...but watch out for those piles of "spiritual" on the path - it's difficult to get rid of that "spiritual" stink once we slip and slide in it. :anjali:
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Vision is Mind
Mind is Empty
Emptiness is Clear Light
Clear Light is Union
Union is Great Bliss

- Dawa Gyaltsen

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby Mexicali » Fri May 08, 2009 5:32 pm

The Buddha specifically rejected what most people consider the "spiritual", essentially saying that if one finds a different "all" than the one that exists, it didn't make any sense. The world has enough "spiritual" jive talk, it means nothing to "speak as spiritual people". You are either having a laugh or sick. If it's the former I'm not especially bothered, but if the latter, you really need to talk to people who are going to be honest with you. The fact that your first instinct was to run to a message board to proclaim your enlightenment tells me you don't have it. Your belief that you are developing extraordinary powers and worrying that people will start worshiping you tells me that you have a possible narcissistic personality disorder. Sorry to play armchair shrink, but it's quite blatant. If you're a troll, whatever. If you're not, I urge you for the sake of yourself and others you might misguide, talk to both a good dhamma teacher and a mental health professional.
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 08, 2009 6:20 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby adosa » Thu May 14, 2009 2:06 am

I will say, as an aside, that the compassion, concern, and wisdom displayed in this thread is heart-warming..... and I hope, Flying Ox, encouragement for you to heed the advice.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Thu May 14, 2009 9:22 pm

One is encouraged to seek the truth, but be warned if you ever find it, you will be treated as blasphemous.


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