Misquote of the Buddha?

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Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby clw_uk » Thu May 07, 2009 10:43 pm

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 07, 2009 10:49 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu May 07, 2009 11:15 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Fri May 08, 2009 4:46 am

It happens so much I felt compelled to make a smiley for it:



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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Mexicali » Fri May 08, 2009 5:39 am

"We do not embrace reason at the expense of emotion. We embrace it at the expense of self-deception."
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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 08, 2009 10:05 am

Misquotes or mistranslations can be used to understand Dhamma.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby genkaku » Fri May 08, 2009 11:24 am

Maybe the whole thing is a bit of a sticky wicket:

On the one hand, there are intellectually-sloppy attributions... oh so annoying. :smile:

On the other hand there can be an undue attachment to what is not intellectually sloppy ... as if that were somehow the truth. :jumping:

My own take is that there is only one way to know what the Buddha taught: Realize and actualize it in your own life. Anything else, whether intellectually sloppy or intellectually apt, will always fall short of the mark.
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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby kc2dpt » Fri May 08, 2009 12:38 pm

So, genkaku, we should make no effort to preserve the Buddha's teachings?
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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Fede » Fri May 08, 2009 1:04 pm

.... so....

where's this smiley then? :computerproblem:

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Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby genkaku » Fri May 08, 2009 2:44 pm

Smile just one smile




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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri May 08, 2009 6:19 pm

140. Those monks who explain what is not Dhamma as not Dhamma, work for the welfare, happiness, and benefit of gods and men. They make much merit and preserve the true Dhamma.

141. Those monks who explain what is Dhamma as Dhamma, work for the welfare, happiness, and benefit of gods and men. They make much merit and preserve the true Dhamma.

142-9. Those monks who explain not Vinaya as not Vinaya, Vinaya as Vinaya, what was not said by the Tathägata as not said by him, what was said by him as said by him, what was not practised by him as not practised by him, what was practised by him as practised by him, what was not laid down by him as not laid down by him, what was laid down by him as laid down by him, work for the welfare, happiness, and benefit of gods and men. They make much merit and preserve the true Dhamma.

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Cittasanto » Thu May 14, 2009 9:09 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Individual » Thu May 14, 2009 6:59 pm

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 15, 2009 4:46 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

Postby Individual » Sat May 16, 2009 4:28 am

The best things in life aren't things.


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Re: Misquote of the Buddha?

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