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Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Zom » Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:36 pm

Hello,

Alas, they won't give you an ordination without a permission. Nanachat is a very strict place to go. They won't give you ordination even with permission before you show yourself during a year or two.. or more.. ) During this period of testing you will have to wear white clothes and observe 8 precepts.

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:30 am

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Bankei » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:24 am

Parental permission is not necessary.

One exception is if you threaten to burn down the monastery if the monks do not ordain you (seriously).
See the article
Crosby, Kate 2005 Only if you let go of that Tree: Ordination without Parental Consent according to Theravåda Vinaya. Buddhist Studies Review
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:49 am

I would say go and stay there anyway. For a young person who has already graduated or at least finished high school, one year out to reflect seriously on how they want to spend the rest of their life is not a long time. If, after one year, you decide that monastic life is not for you, at least you know what it entails, learnt something about meditation and the Dhamma, and gained some useful skills for lay life.

If you do find it is the right choice for you, by then your parents may have come around to accepting your choice. They may come out to visit you, and be happy to give their permission, or even participate by offering your monk's requisites, etc.

If they still don't agree, I guess there's still the "threaten to burn down the monastery" option :tantrum:
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby hermitwin » Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:43 pm

I know of a teenager in China who wanted to become a monk and his parents refused.
He went to the monastery anyway.
His parents brought him home and locked him in the house.
The moment they let him out he ran back to the monastery.
Again, the parents took him home.
After repeating this several times, the parents relented and he became a monk.

I have a hypothetical question ie. If your parents refuse permission and you threaten
to kill yourself. then your parents relent. Is this acceptable?

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Goofaholix » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:17 pm

Have you stayed in a monastery as a layman before? If not you are thinking too far ahead.

I think you should have a 3 month retreat at Wat Pah Nanachat first, see how you like it. You'll have to leave the country to get a new visa anyway.

This might convince your parents you are serious and it's not a fad, or by talking to people there you might find out about monasteries closer to home that you want to check out, or you might find this life is not for you.

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Gena1480 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:09 pm

you not alone in this, i have the same problem
and and writing a letter to the monastery.
and yes they put me in hospital against my will
so it does not work in new york.
parents specially mother will go to high extremes and use any lies to keep from going.
even treat of taking of they own life.
but i will outsmart them anyway.
learn what their weakness and strong points.
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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby daverupa » Fri Feb 03, 2012 12:08 am

found a solution praised by the Buddha.

AN 1.14:
"Ratthapala is foremost for going forth out of faith."

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

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Re: Ordination at Wat Pah Nanachat

Postby Zom » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:11 pm

I would not recommend becoming a monk before establishing a solid foundation for that in lay-life. Being a monk is not a fun, but a hard work and serious task. While disrobing is called by the Buddha "a death in the Discipline of the Noble Ones". Very few people stay in robes for all their life. Perhaps only 5% of those who's got ordination. All others "are dead".

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