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Buddha nature

Postby greggorious » Thu Feb 09, 2012 2:51 pm

After practicing Zen for a couple of years I have started the practice of Vipassana and Samadha, as I prefer these meditations. For the most part I like therevada Buddhism. However I'm still heavily influenced by the Mahayana and I believe in Buddha nature. I've been told more than once that Buddha nature is not a Therevadin concept. Does this mean that we don't have the seed of enlightenment within us. I see Buddha nature everywhere, within my family, friends, even my Cats, and just because I've turned to Therevada I wont change this belief. :)
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Buddha nature

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:21 pm

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby santa100 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:33 pm

Theravada's Bhavanga concept?? maybe..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhavanga

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby Sanghamitta » Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:03 pm

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

Bhikku Bodhi.

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Re: Buddha nature

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby greggorious » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:17 pm

When did I say people are already enlightened? Having a seed of enlightenment doesn't mean you're enlightened, but have the potential to be.

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"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby reflection » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:20 pm

You don't have to turn to any particular belief because it is taught this and that way. You turn to a belief because you can validate it with your own experience. If you see Buddha nature everywhere, than go with that. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. As said by the Buddha in the , don't go by anything because it is said, instead go with things that resonate and make you more peaceful, that relieve your greed/hate/delusion. And a belief in Buddha nature can certainly decrease hate, because you see the goodness in all people.

I also think Buddha nature -as in the ability in us all to awake- fits in perfectly with Therevada, and I think it is a wonderful teaching, but that is something personal. There may be others with whom it does not really resonate, but that's ok too.

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Re: Buddha nature

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:39 pm

Greggarious,

If you are coming from a Mahayana background you might find some useful connections by listening to some of Joseph Goldstein's talks, which give his perspective on compassion, bodhicitta, and so on.

For example:
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/?searc ... ourney+own
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/?search=bodhicitta
http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/96/?search=radiant

:anjali:
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Re: Buddha nature

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:08 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha nature

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby Fede » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:37 pm

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Buddha nature

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:46 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Buddha nature

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:02 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby Dan74 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:49 am

It seems that Greg has already moved on...

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Re: Buddha nature

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:51 am

Does the Pali Canon have buddha-nature? Or the Buddha, for that matter?


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