Why one meal a day?

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby mirco » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:58 pm

alan wrote:Monks have to follow the rules, but why would anyone else take up the unhealthy practice of restricting your food?
Is there some inherent virtue in this practice? Thanks

My meditation teacher sais, since eating only once a day, he is in far better health.

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby ground » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:04 am

The practice of eating once a day fosters detachment from the body. If you feed the body the body reacts with warmth and activity. Bodily fluids are produced, the brain gets glucose to further produce stupid thoughts and feelings and attachments. If you stop feeding the body thoughts and feelings and attachments decrease but the body is getting hysterical. Having energy and established intent to stick to the practice and resisting the body's hysterical reactions thus necessarily entails detachment from the body and fosters decrease of stupid thoughts and feelings and attachments.

Feeding, not feeding ... feeding, not feeding ... experiential insight dawns

At Savatthi... "There are these four nutriments for the maintenance of beings who have come into being or for the support of those in search of a place to be born. Which four? Physical food, gross or refined; contact as the second, intellectual intention the third, and consciousness the fourth. These are the four nutriments for the maintenance of beings who have come into being or for the support of those in search of a place to be born.

"And how is physical food to be regarded? Suppose a couple, husband & wife, taking meager provisions, were to travel through a desert. With them would be their only baby son, dear & appealing. Then the meager provisions of the couple going through the desert would be used up & depleted while there was still a stretch of the desert yet to be crossed. The thought would occur to them, 'Our meager provisions are used up & depleted while there is still a stretch of this desert yet to be crossed. What if we were to kill this only baby son of ours, dear & appealing, and make dried meat & jerky. That way — chewing on the flesh of our son — at least the two of us would make it through this desert. Otherwise, all three of us would perish.' So they would kill their only baby son, loved & endearing, and make dried meat & jerky. Chewing on the flesh of their son, they would make it through the desert. While eating the flesh of their only son, they would beat their breasts, [crying,] 'Where have you gone, our only baby son? Where have you gone, our only baby son?' Now what do you think, monks: Would that couple eat that food playfully or for intoxication, or for putting on bulk, or for beautification?"

"No, lord."

"Wouldn't they eat that food simply for the sake of making it through that desert?"

"Yes, lord."

"In the same way, I tell you, is the nutriment of physical food to be regarded. When physical food is comprehended, passion for the five strings of sensuality is comprehended. When passion for the five strings of sensuality is comprehended, there is no fetter bound by which a disciple of the noble ones would come back again to this world.


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eating once a day and nutrient deficiencies in Monastics.

Postby marc108 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:19 pm

Since I learned that Monastics only eat once a day, and generally are eating a moderate sized meal, I cant help but wonder how they are able to survive with long term nutrient deficiencies? I'm a nutrition student and have done extensive dietary analysis and planning, and it is not possible to eat 100% of what you need in a single meal... if you could get 1/3 of your daily needs in a single meal you would be lucky. Are there high rates of disease and early death among monastics? It boggles my mind that many Ajahn's have lived to be very old and in good health on nearly no food.

I'd be interested to hear what anyone has to say on this, and to know if the Buddha ever commented on malnourishment.


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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:26 pm

I believe all your questions would be answered within this thread.

It would be easier to read through and ask any further questions you have after that.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
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Re: eating once a day and nutrient deficiencies in Monastics.

Postby Virgo » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:26 pm

Nevermind

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Re: eating once a day and nutrient deficiencies in Monastics.

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:27 pm

marc108 wrote: and it is not possible to eat 100% of what you need in a single meal...


I merged your topic with this existing topic. You can read some of the previous posts here.

It is possible, considering that monastics and some lay people have been doing so for at least 2,500 years. As long as you eat enough nutritious foods, there are no problems and it is actually healthier. In terms of evolution, I think our ancestors, like many other animals ate large meals when food was available and then often went without food for some extended times. Therefore, one meal per day is not that long of a break between meals.

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:50 pm

I hadn't noticed it was merged! sorry if my response confused.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby marc108 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:52 pm

Thanks for merging my thread into this one, I hadn't seen this thread before. I just want to prefix my part in this discussion by saying that I have the utmost respect for the Vinya rules, and what I'm saying is simply meant to be a friendly discussion and a respectful inquiry, not an admonishment of this rule.

Respectfully, it would absolutely not be possible to eat 100% vitamin & mineral intake in a moderate sized single meal. We see in many populations that humans can live with severe deficiencies, but what they can not do is live in optimal physical health. They may develop specific diseases, or just degenerate and die faster.... This would be akin to putting 1/3 of your cars need for oil into the car... it will run, but die out much quicker.

My personal opinion, and what seems most logical within my understandings, is that meditation practice is sustaining the physical form in a way unrelated to food. My best guess would be through the buildup of prana.


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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:26 am

marc108 wrote:Thanks for merging my thread into this one, I hadn't seen this thread before. I just want to prefix my part in this discussion by saying that I have the utmost respect for the Vinya rules, and what I'm saying is simply meant to be a friendly discussion and a respectful inquiry, not an admonishment of this rule.

Respectfully, it would absolutely not be possible to eat 100% vitamin & mineral intake in a moderate sized single meal. We see in many populations that humans can live with severe deficiencies, but what they can not do is live in optimal physical health. They may develop specific diseases, or just degenerate and die faster.... This would be akin to putting 1/3 of your cars need for oil into the car... it will run, but die out much quicker.

My personal opinion, and what seems most logical within my understandings, is that meditation practice is sustaining the physical form in a way unrelated to food. My best guess would be through the buildup of prana.


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more physical exertion more food needed.

it isn't one meal, although some do follow this, it is one period, from dawn to noon

maybe the body uses the nutrition better?

there have been a number of discussions on this topic, you may also want to do a search.
“Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.
(The mendicants asked) What are the two [types of persons]?
(The Lord Buddha responded) The malicious, or the inwardly angry, and the one with (blind) faith or the one who holds things incorrectly.
Mendicants, these two [types of persons] defame the Tathāgata.”
Blog, Suttas, Aj Chah, Facebook.
"Others will misconstrue reality based on personal perspectives, firmly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our personal perspectives, nor firmly holding them, but easily discarded."

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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby marc108 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:41 am

thanks for the clarification on one meal vs on period. i will do a search, thanks :)
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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:12 pm

marc108 wrote:Respectfully, it would absolutely not be possible to eat 100% vitamin & mineral intake in a moderate sized single meal.

Hi,

I don't know exactly what you mean by moderate sized single meal but I noticed that some monks eat quite large single meals. When I was observing the one meal precept I too ate a slightly larger quantity at once. I still usually eat only once a day, sometimes twice and I don't have any problems. The body adapts quickly to single meal per day and as far as I know the body doesn't need all kinds of nutriments, minerals, vitamines and so on ever day. As long as you provide sufficient nutrition in time everything's fine.

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Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby Chi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:32 am

Dear Fellow Dhammafarers,

Today, I started eating one meal per day. I also started a seven-day cleanse with "Garden of Life RAW Cleanse". It's just some powder and capsules of apparently good stuff.

Here's the reasoning:

Since I've came back from my retreat, I've been eating like a pig. I've gained 15-20 lbs. in 12 days. I've been eating and craving sugar like it's nobody's business, and it makes the body and mind rather lethargic. It's time to get the body and mind back into shape before the next retreat starting on 4/1.

Making a strong addithana aids in the follow-through of the experiment. So, I am posting here.

So here is what happened today: Woke up at 7:15, went on an early hike with my mother at a semi-tiring mountain (Camelback Mountain in Arizona), went to Sprout's and bought a bunch of healthy food (mostly veggies and fruit), made a smoothie of spinach, half a bell pepper, a pound of strawberries, 6 oz of blueberries, one banana, 2-3 teaspoons of spirulina, a bit of coconut milk, almond milk, and rice milk. My mom made an veggie omelette with bell peppers, tomatoes, spinach, cheese, a bit of olive oil, and five eggs. I drank more than 2/3's of the smoothie and about 2/3's of the omelette. I also had 5 pieces of spicy tuna roll from my mom's lunch the day before, along with some wasabi and ginger.

I felt really, really full afterwards and knew I overate. I took a walk for 15-20 minutes, and then went to bed for three hours at 12:15ish.

Right now, it's about 5:30 and I am craving some honey. But, I'm not sick, so I am restraining myself. There seems to be more energy in the body, and the mind feels quicker.

On a side note, I started a gratitude journal the other day in which I write down about a page of all the things I am grateful for in my life. I can already feel the effects.

OK, maybe I'll report everyday, maybe I'll report every couple of days.

Thanks for listening!
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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby Paul Davy » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:20 am

Greetings Chi,

The following discussion may be of interest to you...

Why one meal a day?
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3045

Most days I have one meal a day (dinner), though of late I do have something tiny at lunch-time for energy... a few jellybeans or a piece of chocolate perhaps. I also drink coffee.

The Buddha promotes moderation in eating - it is a worthwhile endeavour.

Metta,
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And which is the root of all malady within and without,
He is released from bondage to the root of all maladies,
That Such-like-one is truly known as 'the one who has understood'.
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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby Chi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:00 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings Chi,

The following discussion may be of interest to you...

Why one meal a day?
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3045

Most days I have one meal a day (dinner), though of late I do have something tiny at lunch-time for energy... a few jellybeans or a piece of chocolate perhaps. I also drink coffee.

The Buddha promotes moderation in eating - it is a worthwhile endeavour.

Metta,
Retro. :)


Thanks Retro. I did reread through the thread yesterday (the first time I skimmed it was maybe 3-4 months ago), and it was actually the inspiration for the experiment.

Yesterday, I could tell an immediate difference. The mind was sharper (although the body needed more rest [maybe it's also the cleanse]), the sensations were subtler, the body was moving more briskly.

I went to bed early, and the dreams were pretty darn vivid (deep into the subconscious or unconscious [whatever]), something that I haven't experienced since the retreat.

Definitely will continue this for the next 45 days or so and report my findings.

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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby Chi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:36 pm

Right now: unbelievable restlessness and cravings for sensual things.

It's all the suppressed stuff coming to the surface after eating almost non-stop for 2 weeks.

It's good for the mind :meditate:
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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby cooran » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:08 pm

Hello Chi,

I'll be interested in reading your experiences with this (- though I'll be out of contact with DhammaWheel much of the time over the next three or four weeks).

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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby Chi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:27 pm

OK, I have a headache now. Maybe it's cause I have been in front of a computer for a while. Maybe I didn't eat enough this morning.

I am having a big spoonful of honey now.

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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:03 pm

Chi wrote:OK, I have a headache now. Maybe it's cause I have been in front of a computer for a while. Maybe I didn't eat enough this morning.

I am having a big spoonful of honey now.

Be Happy!


Hi Chi,

The headache is most likely due to the change in your diet. Your body will adapt and the headaches will go away, as long as you get enough to eat for the one meal.

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Re: Addithana: One Meal Per Day

Postby Chi » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:27 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
Chi wrote:OK, I have a headache now. Maybe it's cause I have been in front of a computer for a while. Maybe I didn't eat enough this morning.

I am having a big spoonful of honey now.

Be Happy!


Hi Chi,

The headache is most likely due to the change in your diet. Your body will adapt and the headaches will go away, as long as you get enough to eat for the one meal.


OK, I am keeping this in mind and being as equanimous as possible with whatever arises.

Yes, going from eating everything in sight to not eating anything in sight. It's a big change for the body and mind, lol.
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Re: Why one meal a day?

Postby Reductor » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:44 am

Don't forget to drink plenty of water. If you're eating less you may also be consuming less water, lack of which can produce headaches. I know all to well.
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