The Secular Buddhist

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The Secular Buddhist

Postby Moggalana » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:05 pm

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby plwk » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:26 pm

Groovy...is that the latest club in town? :tongue:

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Moggalana » Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:59 pm

Buddhism is evolving ;-)
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Justsit » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:23 pm

"a framework for personal and social development..."

Ah, Buddhism-Lite.
More like "Buddhism devolving."

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Moggalana » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:15 pm

Or maybe it's Buddhism without all the unnecessary baggage? A Secular Buddhist is interested in the Four Noble Truths and developing sila, samadhi and panna in this very life. He doesn't belief in literal rebirth or supernatural powers because it is of no concern for his practice and life. But I'm not really interested in a debate, I just wanted to call attention to this podcast because I know there are at least some people here who hold similar views about this kind of things :)
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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:28 pm

Is Secular Buddhism interested in accepting rebirth as a working hypothesis? or is it only interested in what agrees to its secular preferences?
and how does it know what to leave in and take out?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby daverupa » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:38 pm

Thai
Burmese
Sri Lankan
Cambodian
Laotian
Indian
Chinese
Japanese
Vietnamese
Secular(/Western?)
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All of these are extant iterations of Buddhism. Certainly there are more (Nepalese, etc.). They all seem to know what to leave in, what to leave out, but there isn't perfect accord here.

Let's be wary of false dichotomies.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Moggalana » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:59 pm

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby ground » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:57 pm

The way leading to the cessation of all buddhisms is just this Noble Eightfold Path; that is, right view... right concentration.

:anjali:

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:24 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Kare » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:29 pm

Mettāya,
Kåre

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Justsit » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:50 pm

Then we're right back to the beginning of the rebirth debate, no?

Think about it...if there is no karma and no rebirth, then the only "life" is this one. All actions/consequences will play out in one 70+/- year period. If that is the case, then the only chance of enlightenment is right now, right in this very life, yes?
If you don't "get it" now, you're done.

The name "secular Buddhist" is misnomer. In what way does the group follow the Buddha's teachings?
Does the SB propose the end of suffering in one lifetime?

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:06 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Ted Meissner » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:18 pm

Many of the questions being asked might be answered on the Guiding Principles page:

http://secularbuddhistassociation.com/a ... rinciples/

In essence, we are following the eightfold path, and are finding ways to engage with the teaching and practice that may resonate with contemporary culture. For many of us, that is a non religious approach in which assertions require evidence in order to allow a common point of reference. We're perfectly willing to accept rebirth, but as we also question the assertions of other religious traditions about what happens after death of the body, we equally should question our own in the spirit of sincere, honest, free inquiry.

Please note, it is not in any way a denial of traditional practices -- most of us come from traditional, religious settings. We simply find pragmatic application of the Buddha's teaching can be done quite well, providing beneficial transformation in how we release the causes of suffering, without an adherence to ideas from a cultural context not our own.

Thanks for the discussion, this is wonderful to see lively talk and sharing!

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Ted Meissner » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:32 pm

Good question! I would suggest that cultural context is rooted in the particular social environment of the time. A religious context is rooted in the teachings and practices of the tradition. So, for example, lighting incense may be a cultural manifestation that many practitioners do, or may not -- it is not "critical path" to the dhamma. Right Speech is religious context, but that doesn't mean it's therefore not done as part of secular practice. Secular is a reference to that which we find in this lifetime.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Justsit » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:00 pm

Well, that's an obvious example - the Buddha never taught using incense and he did teach Right Speech.

So does SB consider the teachings on rebirth as a cultural manifestation?

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:01 pm

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

Postby Buckwheat » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:09 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The Secular Buddhist

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