How do I mean what?Manapa wrote:Hi Individual,Individual wrote: People should engage in Right Effort, but they should not be disenchanted by views, that is, they should be aloof from views and not unreasonably expect to preserve anything impermanent.
how do you mean?
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Very nicely statedIndividual wrote:People should engage in Right Effort, but they should not be disenchanted by views, that is, they should be aloof from views and not unreasonably expect to preserve anything impermanent.
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The views! not disenchanted but aloof from views?Individual wrote:How do I mean what?Individual wrote: People should engage in Right Effort, but they should not be disenchanted by views, that is, they should be aloof from views and not unreasonably expect to preserve anything impermanent.
on reading this morning I think I understand what you meant but always good to double check!
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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By relying on discernment rather than the belief, "This view of mine is the correct one".Manapa wrote:The views! not disenchanted but aloof from views?Individual wrote:How do I mean what?Individual wrote: People should engage in Right Effort, but they should not be disenchanted by views, that is, they should be aloof from views and not unreasonably expect to preserve anything impermanent.
on reading this morning I think I understand what you meant but always good to double check!
Attachment is connected to views of self (seeing the truth as "my" view, and what I am refuting as "your" false view) and it is the end of discernment. That is, the end of discernment is the arising of the view of self. When a person concludes, "I have discerned this," discernment ceases. But pure discernment has no end to it.
By being aloof -- that is, distanced from -- views, a person doesn't feel attached to them personally or feel aversion to alternative ideas. Instead, a person sees views as being outside of themselves. This can be easily confused with relativism, nihilism, and certain forms of passive or lazy agnosticism.
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Good postBy relying on discernment rather than the belief, "This view of mine is the correct one".
Attachment is connected to views of self (seeing the truth as "my" view, and what I am refuting as "your" false view) and it is the end of discernment. That is, the end of discernment is the arising of the view of self. When a person concludes, "I have discerned this," discernment ceases. But pure discernment has no end to it.
By being aloof -- that is, distanced from -- views, a person doesn't feel attached to them personally or feel aversion to alternative ideas. Instead, a person sees views as being outside of themselves. This can be easily confused with relativism, nihilism, and certain forms of passive or lazy agnosticism.
This i feel stands in line with the teaching that the Dhamma is a raft (in this case the right view aspect). Things not to be clung to but used to get somewhere
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“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”