Cittasanto wrote:Have you thought some men may feel the same about women for good reason?
it's a pertinent point you make, but this kind of brutality is a fairly recently-aired phenomenon.
Rightly, it fills people with shock, horror and indignation - and even some disbelief - that women (the so-called 'gentler sex') could behave in such a cruel, callous and despicable way.
Women have been subjected to unspeakable horrors for millennia, and in some countries, heinous, deplorable and inhuman treatment of women goes on, unabated and legitimised. Today, as we speak, women are forced into marriage, raped, subjected to inhuman treatment and treated in bloody and cruel ways, such as female circumcision. the term itself is risible.....
Yet the moment a woman complains - in a location frequented mostly by men - that they feel justified in resenting the male race for this treatment, there is always one that says 'women can be just as bad'.
With the influence we have been subjected to, are you honestly surprised?
thereductor wrote:It surprises me how quick and hard some of the female members here come down on the male gender.
why are you surprised, given the treatment we have been subjected to for so long?
is the worm turning so uncomfortable for you, and are you so surprised that the historically-recent women's Lib movement has motivated such an upsurge of rebellion?
would you rather we did not speak of how we feel, because it offends your sensibilities as a man, to be held accountable for the collective conscousness of men that has been conditioned and programmed, inspite of modern 21st century thinking, to continue to hold women back?
They point at personal experience, and at famous men who were decidedly flawed. Might I suggest that we men have examples from our lives of very poor conduct by women, too? Violence and a rampant disregard for the well being of others? They are not famous, so may we dismiss those people and their foulness from the discussion?
don't use the term 'they'. call me by name, i can take it.
Name me one piece of cruelty a man has been subjected to, that has not first been subjected on a woman.
I have already said that any form of violence, by one person, against another is inexcusable and unforgivable, unless, of course, it's self-defence.....
But to bracket the evil women have done, as something separate, worse, different or particular, in comparison to Man's inhumanity to woman, is frankly, unrealistic.
It seems a shame to be a man, to think like a man, and a esteemable virtue to be a woman. Is that about right?
according to some, yes.
Men and women are different, and such differences should be lauded, celebrated, enjoyed and congratulated. As members of the same species, we should be mutually supportive, encouraging and complementary.
Instead, methodically, repeatedly and persistently, men have, throughout the ages - and even today - sought to suppress, subjugate and vilify women as inferior and unworthy.
From earning markedly less than men, for doing the same work, to executing a woman by stoning, for being raped - the extent of this suppression has been constant and widespread.
This discussion is rather sad.
for probably different reasons, i completely agree....
Dan74 wrote:Maybe unabashed men bashing is a necessary therapeutic step towards equanimity and good-will?
i find this extraordinarily patronising.
No, unabashed man-bashing is not a "necessary therapeutic step towards equanimity and good-will."
"Unabashed man-bashing" happens because frankly, women are pissed off with constant woman-bashing.
I wonder if you would be so good, and co-operative to obtain a copy of the following;
"Misogyny - the world's oldest Prejudice".
It is a factual, anecdotal and accurate account of the repeated horrific and constant subjugation of women, throughout the ages, by men.
it recounts the origins and the outrages, alike.
and the author is male.
i would heartily recommend it.