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Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Thales » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:41 am

"Just as the ocean has a single taste, the taste of salt, so this Dhamma and Discipline has a single taste, the taste of release."

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:11 am

For the sake of harmony, I have decided to move this thread into the Hot Topics forum which requires posts to be approved by a moderator before being published.
Please be sure that your posts remain on-topic and are in keeping with the TOS.
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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Fede » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:54 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Postby Fede » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:35 am

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Fede » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:00 am

Last edited by Fede on Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Reductor » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:04 am

You have made a charge, and perhaps it is true for many men, for many times; yet it is untrue for me, for Dan and for Dave. Untrue, I suppose, for most of us here. Untrue, just as it is untrue women are weak and inferior as a group just because some women have been weak and inferior.

I bristle because you're intent on the narrative of social justice for women while being unjust in your view toward your fellow humans, because they are men. Your view of others should be fair minded, if you would have others be fair minded.

The subtext to those posts in sympathy to your own is that men are not really to be trusted first, but rather that they are to be suspect of some foul failing. Based on what? On the doings of other men at other times, in other places, and not on that man at that time. He is not to be given the benefit of the doubt.

It is akin to me thinking all women want to be, can be and should be subjugated simply because other women have been subjugated in other places and other time.

Yet the very notion of that would make you bristle all over. Indeed, you suppose that this is what would happen if you didn't bristle up. You suggest that your position is righting historical wrongs, and that it is good and proper. Your posts suggest that disagreeing with you is tantamount to being narrow viewed and rather ignorant.

Please.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Dan74 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:23 am

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Sanghamitta » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:03 am

The going for refuge is the door of entrance to the teachings of the Buddha.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:33 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Fede » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:33 am

read the book.
first and foremost, read the book.
then defend mankind's inhumanity towards his constant partner.
both in the past, and in the present, both in the west and elsewhere.
You see, until men have systematically known millennia of persecution simply because of their gender, to the same extent women have known it, they will always cry foul, protest and never understand.
much of your post is factually inaccurate, Cittasanto, and therefore, I would simply recommend you broaden your research.
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

I am sooooo happy - How on earth could I be otherwise?! :D


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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Aloka » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:36 am

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Alobha » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:02 pm

People might be interested in the discrimination of men and the side effects they suffer from based on empiric evidence, facts and numbers.
http://www.coeffic.demon.co.uk/descrim.htm

I hope this can help people to realize that stereotyping, no matter which gender, nationality or skin colour it affects, leads to many problems and much suffering for the accused. One does best by not condemning people in such a way. Men suffer greatly from the stereotypes of strength, toughness and success, too. Let us all overcome these stereotypes by stopping by judging people so much.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Vepacitta » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:34 pm

Men do not like it when they are questioned or when their gender is questioned or put to task. They point the finger back at the women. Men's masculinity is very very fragile, and if they feel that a woman is 'going for their bollocks' they attack. And I see a lot of attacking against women on this and the other thread.

I'll put it really simply, bullies don't like it when people stand up to them. People who have always 'been on top' (no pun intended - but well - if you want to you can intend the pun!) tend to fight back when they are challenged - civil rights and issues of people of colour are still disgraceful,especially in the US, by way of example ...

It just shows how very thin the veneer of civilisation is and how very shallow most people's understanding and cultivation of the dhamma is.

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Vepacitta » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:37 pm

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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:24 pm

There is no question that women have been mistreated over the past several thousands of years or more. I think some men here may be posting in a defensive way because they feel the OP and other posts are directed at them. But I don't think it necessarily is directed at all men.

But the good news in all this is that I think it could (hopefully) mostly become a moot issue soon. Women are out-performing men in so many areas, including college graduation rates, numbers of college graduates and it is at all levels, bachelor's, master's and doctorates. The future CEOs and leaders will be women. More egalitiarianism is coming to religious institutions, including Buddhist ones, such as the bhikkhuni ordinations in our Theravada, etc.

Just google gender or male female college graduation and you will see so many results. The future looks bright for women and men and egalitarianism.
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Re: Not 'man bashing' but legitimate protest.

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:31 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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