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Rarely mentioned criteria of the 1st jhana

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Rarely mentioned criteria of the 1st jhana

Postby ignobleone » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:00 am

Commentaries usually describe the criteria of 1st jhana only in term of 5 jhana factors. IMO, there are two important points(criteria) from the main Nikayas that seemed to have been forgotten, rarely or even never mentioned/discussed by Buddhist monks/teachers. Those two criteria are:
1) kāmasaññā ceases, as mentioned in Anupubbanirodha Sutta (AN 9.31) http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html
It depends on the translation of kāmasaññā. I believe it means kāma-based perception.
2) vācā ceases, as mentioned in Rahogata Sutta (SN 36.11) www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn3 ... .than.html
vācā means speech (verbal fabrication)

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Postby reflection » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:27 am

The five jhana factors mention what is present in the 1st jhana, but indeed there is also a lot that's disappeared, including speech (discursive thought) and all 5 senses (that's how I think we should interpret "the perception of sensuality").

Thanks for these references.

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Impossible to experience bodily feeling in jhana.

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any insight happens after leaving the jhana. never while in jhana

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