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10fold path?

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Re: 10fold path?

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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Jechbi » Fri May 15, 2009 4:24 am

Any way, a talk on the subject. Just found it.
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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 15, 2009 4:32 am

the 8fold path is the path we use to get to the ten.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Fede » Fri May 15, 2009 6:30 am

In my humble, inexperienced and relatively uneducated opinion, I would think that -

samma-ditthi (right understanding) Leads to samma-nana (right knowledge)
samma-sankappa (right thought)
samma-vaca (right speech)
samma-kammanta (right action)
samna-ajiva (right livelihood)
samma-vayama (right effort) leads to samma-vimutti (right release)
samma-sati (right awareness)
samma-samadhi (right concentration)

The Eightfold Path covers many different attributes or Virtues. As I see it, these last two are ably covered by the Eightfold Path.
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Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Fede » Fri May 15, 2009 1:20 pm

....Durnit.... ya beat me to it..... :tongue:

The Path is often illustrated as a wheel... hard to know where it begins or ends, isn't it? :thinking:

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"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Fede » Fri May 15, 2009 2:48 pm

Whilst there may be many 'opinions' and views given, I think for my part you are pursuing the right approach, and investigating matters until you reach a level of personal satisfaction. I/we might agree, or otherwise.
Actually, that is irrelevant. Providing you take different Points of View on board (which you are doing, no argument there!), I don't think anyone can be as persuasive to you as your own personal conviction.

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"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Re: 10fold path?

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Jechbi » Sat May 16, 2009 4:48 pm

Well, in terms of samma-nana, I take that to mean panna or insight. Seems to me that as we progress in practice (in the broad sense of the term "practice," meaning practice of the full 8fold path), we attain to insight in small, imperfect measures even before we have attained to any ariya fruit.

And in terms of samm-vimutti, as we progress in practice in the sense mentioned above, we can get a better (yet still flawed) understanding of what nibbana is, even if we can't put it into words, and even if we haven't attained to any ariya fruit. We might get a "taste" of nibbana, so to speak.

I feel more confident about the first position, and less confident about the second. I don't feel fully confident about either position. I'd be interested in hearing clarification about these ideas from the perspective of scripture as well as from the perspective of practice.

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Re: 10fold path?

Postby Jechbi » Sun May 24, 2009 4:33 am

Thank you very much, Bhante. :anjali:
I don't think there's anywhere else I personally could have gone for such a clear, understandable exposition.


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