Higher power

[greggorious]

Hi there, I'm thinking of going back into AA again as I keep relapsing back into drinking. I've tried various methods but they don't seem to last for that long.
As far as the first step goes, I don't mind admitting powerlessness over alcohol, as I see it, my ego is powerless over many things. However I don't know what to do about a higher power. In AA literature it's more than obvious they are talking about God. Plus I have spoken to Buddhists before who say there is no higher power other than your own Buddha nature, some even say that AA is completely against Buddhist principles.
I'm not suggesting you give me a higher power, I just don't know what to make of it.

[bodom]

I highly recommend checking this book out!

A Burning Desire: Dharma God and the Path of Recovery

A Burning Desire is a gift for those who struggle with the Twelve Step program’s focus on the need to surrender to a Higher Power. Taking a radical departure from traditional views of God, Western or Eastern, author Kevin Griffin neither accepts Christian beliefs in a Supreme Being nor Buddhist non-theism, but rather forges a refreshing, sensible, and accessible Middle Way. Griffin shows how the Dharma, the teachings of the Buddha, can be understood as a Higher Power. Karma, mindfulness, impermanence, and the Eightfold Path itself are revealed as powerful forces that can be accessed through meditation and inquiry.

http://www.amazon.com/Burning-Desire-Dh ... 1401923216

[David2]

some even say that AA is completely against Buddhist principles.

I think this is wrong, AA does not go against Buddhist principles at all and it can be helpful for people.

I've tried various methods but they don't seem to last for that long.

Did you try practicing daily meditation for some time?

Going to AA is very good, but practicing meditation is also important in my opinion.

[bodom]

Going to AA is very good, but practicing meditation is also important in my opinion.

Its also part of the 12 steps:

Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

[greggorious]

Thanks for your replies. I'll check out that book bodom, thanks.

[Justsit]

A Buddhist’s Non-Theist 12 Steps:

We admitted our addictive craving over alcohol, and recognized its consequences in our lives.

Came to believe that a power other than self could restore us to wholeness.

Made a decision to go for refuge to this other power as we understood it.

Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

Admitted to ourselves and another human being the exact moral nature of our past.

Became entirely ready to work at transforming ourselves.

With the assistance of others and our own firm resolve, we transformed unskillful aspects of ourselves and cultivated positive ones.

Made a list of all persons we had harmed.

Made direct amends to such people where possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. In addition, made a conscientious effort to forgive all those who harmed us.

Continue to maintain awareness of our actions and motives, and when we acted unskillfully promptly admitted it.

Engaged through the practice of meditation to improve our conscious contact with our true selves, and seeking that beyond self. Also used prayer as a means to cultivate positive attitudes and states of mind.

Having gained spiritual insight as a result of these steps, we practice these principles in all areas of our lives, and make this message available to others in need of recovery.

from http://realisticrecovery.wordpress.com/

[Ferox]

when I looked into over eaters anonymous I came into this little debate as well.. I've read that some may use the dhamma itself as the higher power..

[Dan74]

There is an alternative to AA, called Smart Recovery, but I've seen AA work for Buddhists too.

Higher power is what is perceived to be beyond the ego, which is a great deal! You can call it your Buddha nature since you already like that notion or your emergent new and better adjusted self. You can even see it as your refuge in the Triple Gem.

[Kim O'Hara]

You can even see it as your refuge in the Triple Gem.

Others have suggested this in similar threads here in the past, and it makes sense to me.


Kim

[greggorious]

Thanks for your replies

[Ella]

I am in AA but they don't know am Buddhist ...i have only just started to go there
i think i will check out that book too

[Yana]

Hi there, I'm thinking of going back into AA again as I keep relapsing back into drinking. I've tried various methods but they don't seem to last for that long.
As far as the first step goes, I don't mind admitting powerlessness over alcohol, as I see it, my ego is powerless over many things. However I don't know what to do about a higher power. In AA literature it's more than obvious they are talking about God. Plus I have spoken to Buddhists before who say there is no higher power other than your own Buddha nature, some even say that AA is completely against Buddhist principles.
I'm not suggesting you give me a higher power, I just don't know what to make of it.

Try seeing the higher power as yourself...the infinite possibility that you can achieve..i mean sometimes i believe in every good thing i know...from God to angel to inspirational people and moments.. just to give me enough strength to do something and after i do it i let it go knowing that that was all me...i took that step..i made it happen!

okay maybe you can try this also...

[Ella]

Hi there, I'm thinking of going back into AA again as I keep relapsing back into drinking. I've tried various methods but they don't seem to last for that long.
As far as the first step goes, I don't mind admitting powerlessness over alcohol, as I see it, my ego is powerless over many things. However I don't know what to do about a higher power. In AA literature it's more than obvious they are talking about God. Plus I have spoken to Buddhists before who say there is no higher power other than your own Buddha nature, some even say that AA is completely against Buddhist principles.
I'm not suggesting you give me a higher power, I just don't know what to make of it.

Try seeing the higher power as yourself...the infinite possibility that you can achieve..i mean sometimes i believe in every good thing i know...from God to angel to inspirational people and moments.. just to give me enough strength to do something and after i do it i let it go knowing that that was all me...i took that step..i made it happen!

okay maybe you can try this also...

I cant see myself as a higher power because i have low self esteem and dont think of myself in that way at all ...so am unsure about myself as my higher power
so am unsure what to have as my higher power ... apart from my dad i think he could be my higher power ...yet am unsure if that is ok with buddhism

[rowboat]

greggorious there is an alternative to the 12-step Program model called Life-Ring Secular Recovery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeRing_Secular_Recovery
http://lifering.org/find-meetings/

[danieLion]

Try seeing the higher power as yourself...

I don't think this would jive with with the "self-will run riot" principle in AA.
Goodwill
Daniel

[danieLion]

I highly recommend checking this book out!

A Burning Desire: Dharma God and the Path of Recovery

A Burning Desire is a gift for those who struggle with the Twelve Step program’s focus on the need to surrender to a Higher Power. Taking a radical departure from traditional views of God, Western or Eastern, author Kevin Griffin neither accepts Christian beliefs in a Supreme Being nor Buddhist non-theism, but rather forges a refreshing, sensible, and accessible Middle Way. Griffin shows how the Dharma, the teachings of the Buddha, can be understood as a Higher Power. Karma, mindfulness, impermanence, and the Eightfold Path itself are revealed as powerful forces that can be accessed through meditation and inquiry.

http://www.amazon.com/Burning-Desire-Dh ... 1401923216

Taking the dhamma (or the Buddha or the Sangha) as your higher power is dangerous. The Buddha recommended 11 "steps"--not 12. The dhamma has nothing to do with the spiritual awakening the authors of the Big Book (of AA) were recommending. The dhamma is visible here and now, not somewhere "higher".

Listen to Gil Fronsdal's Views of the Dharma at http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/audio_player/2929.html and reflect on what I've said avbove. A good sample section if you don't want to listen to the whole thing is between minute markers 14:58 and 17:00.
Goodwill

[mirco]

Hi there, I'm thinking of going back into AA again as I keep relapsing back into drinking. I've tried various methods but they don't seem to last for that long.

As far as the first step goes, I don't mind admitting powerlessness over alcohol, as I see it, my ego is powerless over many things. However I don't know what to do about a higher power.

Dear Greg,

whatever poeple say, it is always a Higher Power of everyones own understanding. No rules for that. No christian good. No religion at all. Just a spiritual program.

And as I understand the program, you take what works for you and leave the rest. And if going to meetings helps staying sober.... . Admitting powerlessness is (only) the first part of step one. Going to the meeting completes it.

And if you don't like AA, there's NA ("...powerless over addiction...")

Hugs 'n' best wishes
:-)

[mirco]

Try seeing the higher power as yourself...the infinite possibility that you can achieve..i mean sometimes i believe in every good thing i know...from God to angel to inspirational people and moments.. just to give me enough strength to do something and after i do it i let it go knowing that that was all me...i took that step..i made it happen! okay maybe you can try this also... :hug:

Self centeredness is one of the strongest source for problems in life.
Working the twelve step program can be of great help to overcome that.

:-)

[Yana]

Try seeing the higher power as yourself...the infinite possibility that you can achieve..i mean sometimes i believe in every good thing i know...from God to angel to inspirational people and moments.. just to give me enough strength to do something and after i do it i let it go knowing that that was all me...i took that step..i made it happen! okay maybe you can try this also...

Self centeredness is one of the strongest source for problems in life.
Working the twelve step program can be of great help to overcome that.

I don't think relying on ourselves to get better is being self centered? I mean did The Buddha think he was being self centered when he relied on his own actions to attain enlightment?.. or would you rather he just sat down and Prayed to some God to give it to him?At the end of the day .."you" are resonsible for "your"self,your own actions,your own salavtion,your own recovery and wellbeing...i mean..no one can do that for you.You have to use whatever resources you can get to get better..whether it's having faith or thinking positive or the twelve step program...as for believing in yourself..that you can achieve the very best...there's nothing self centered about that really.

[bodom]

Taking the dhamma (or the Buddha or the Sangha) as your higher power is dangerous. The Buddha recommended 11 "steps"--not 12. The dhamma has nothing to do with the spiritual awakening the authors of the Big Book (of AA) were recommending. The dhamma is visible here and now, not somewhere "higher".

Higher Power: Buddhists, “God”, & the 12 Steps
http://news.northwestdharma.org/Summer2 ... 2Steps.php