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Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Thu May 14, 2009 9:26 pm

One is encouraged to seek the truth, but be warned if you ever find it, you will be treated as blasphemous.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 15, 2009 4:29 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Sat May 16, 2009 2:41 pm

One is encouraged to seek the truth, but be warned if you ever find it, you will be treated as blasphemous.

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Postby Cittasanto » Sat May 16, 2009 4:49 pm

is that so!


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby adosa » Sat May 16, 2009 6:19 pm

"To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas" - Dhammapada 183

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Sat May 16, 2009 7:36 pm

One is encouraged to seek the truth, but be warned if you ever find it, you will be treated as blasphemous.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Sun May 17, 2009 1:04 am

Being so new to Buddhism, I did not know that it was so politically incorrect, considered to be so ill-mannered, and generally frowned upon by the extremely religious to be outwardly joyous in celebratory proclamation of one’s own awakening and release from the shackles of despair. It reminds me of verse 79 of the Dhammapada:

“At the Jētavana Monastery, Monk Mahàkappina while resting
during the night or during the day would often say, “Oh, what
happiness!” (“Ahō Sukham!”). The monks, hearing him saying
this so many times a day, told the Buddha about it. To them the
Buddha replied, “My son Kappina, having had the taste of the
Dhamma, lives happily with a serene mind; he is saying these
words of exultation repeatedly with reference to Nibbàna.”

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun May 17, 2009 1:27 am

Hi flyingOx,

It is not that it is politically incorrect to boast about spiritual attainments, it is that actually it can be quite easy to see if someone is boasting about spiritual attainments in Buddhism.

1. A monk or nun can be expelled from the Order for boasting about attainments he or she does not have.
2. A highly realized person would lose interest in boasting about their attainments.
3. A lay man (or woman) who attains full enlightenment ordains within 7 days or dies before he has the chance to ordain within those 7 days.

It is not that lay people cannot attain enlightenment, they can, but once they do, the everyday trivialities of lay life no longer interest the person and he (she) ordains.

From all appearances, you are not a monk, correct?
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Sun May 17, 2009 2:16 am

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Postby flyingOx » Sun May 17, 2009 2:48 am

TheDhamma, if you mean dying as far as a metaphorical death is concerned, then yes, I have died. If you mean that the person that I used to be is dead, then yes, I am dead. If you mean that I would actually, physically die if I became enlightened and did not become an actual Buddhist monk, then I am sorry, but I just don't believe that is true.
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Sun May 17, 2009 2:56 am

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Postby Ben » Sun May 17, 2009 3:27 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby flyingOx » Sun May 17, 2009 3:33 am

Well, folks, it has been nice chatting with you all. Just consider me another passer-by, another wanderer wandering through, another unenlightened :woohoo: !

So close, but no cigar...too crazy :cookoo: to be considered one of the circle of stars. :group:

So long, it's been fun...and according to most...very wrong :alien:

:quote:

:tongue:

Time to enjoy my enlightenment elsewhere :idea: :arrow:

But may only loving kindness be yours
and please don't draw too many swords :jedi:

Love you all.

bye :hello:
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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby zowdu » Sun May 17, 2009 4:35 pm

Well, at least it rhymed.

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Re: Yikes! People are noticing the change in me.

Postby Cittasanto » Sun May 17, 2009 5:06 pm

Well I do not remember any passage or teaching where enlightenment had any pride known about or not.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.


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