Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby pererin » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:29 pm

Put it this way, even if Epikeia were to be applied in certain circumstances, now as in Antiquity neither Judaism nor Christianity considers that lying is OK.

Where is this thread going, please?

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:30 pm

jcsuperstar wrote:
Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.

the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.

the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...


Ooops. Well, we can still assume also Tibetan Buddhism is based on the dhamma and that the Dalai Lama is perhaps the most profound dhamma expert we have as a contemporary. If you question that , want to challenge that, I have to bow out, as I'm not in the position to know, are you guys....

Schools may differ in details, but they are all based on one source, the Buddha.

So,...back to the bounty hunter.....? :guns:
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby stuka » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:24 pm

Annabel wrote:
jcsuperstar wrote:
Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.

the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.

the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...


Ooops. Well, we can still assume also Tibetan Buddhism is based on the dhamma and that the Dalai Lama is perhaps the most profound dhamma expert we have as a contemporary.


Not necessarily. The Dalai Lama may be an expert in the Gelug tradition of the tibetan religions, however, these religions bear only superficial resemblance to Buddhism and the Buddhadhamma, and have nothing to do with Theravada Buddhism.

If you question that , want to challenge that, I have to bow out, as I'm not in the position to know, are you guys....

Schools may differ in details, but they are all based on one source, the Buddha.


The tibetan religions are based upon, and rely heavily upon, other sources: tantra, superstitions, oracles, je Tsonghapa, reincarnation of the same person over and over, etc. I have seen one christian source (who was actually quite impressed with the Buddha's teachings) describe the tibetan religions as "the Anti-Buddhism".

So,...back to the bounty hunter.....? :guns:


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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:59 pm

Annabel wrote:
jcsuperstar wrote:
Annabel wrote:I haven't seen him using lies, and he is a practising Christian.

You should not lie is a commandment.

Also, the Dalai Lama said that a white lie is allowed, if greater harm is being prevented this way-

Makes sense to me.

the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...

but i have seen him lie the one time i watched the show.

the dalai lama has nothing to do with theravada buddhism...


Ooops. Well, we can still assume also Tibetan Buddhism is based on the dhamma and that the Dalai Lama is perhaps the most profound dhamma expert we have as a contemporary. If you question that , want to challenge that, I have to bow out, as I'm not in the position to know, are you guys....

Schools may differ in details, but they are all based on one source, the Buddha.

So,...back to the bounty hunter.....? :guns:


well his form of buddhism finds it okay to break vows if youre doing it "for a good reason"

i like the guy, he says some things at times that make me cringe (the anti homosexuality stuff) but for the most part seems a nice guy. but hes got nothing to do with my form of buddhism

now :focus:
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby bodom » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:46 pm

stuka wrote:I am reminded of that "Crocodile Hunter" idiot, throwing himself on a stingray's barb.

One day, that poor attention-seeking moron will attempt to strut and showboat his way through some desperate soul's front door just long enough for them to place both barrels of a 12-gauge right on his lips and splatter his brains all over the following cameras and your television screen.

The price of ego-clinging is indeed high.


Thats harsh man. Really uncalled for.

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:48 pm

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...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Annapurna » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:58 pm

This thread received it's last reply before your's more than over 1 1/2 years ago. :zzz:

It's is unclear to me what you are referring to by " for sure not".

In any case, meanwhile, to me bounty hunting is just another facet of "police" life, in the largest possible meaning of the word "police".

Criminals are on the run, -some folks catch em for money, -either police, or bounty hunters.

The criminals are not sold as cheeseburgers at MacDuffys.

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:32 am

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...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:52 pm

Hanzze wrote:
Annapurna wrote:This thread received it's last reply before your's more than over 1 1/2 years ago. :zzz:

It's is unclear to me what you are referring to by " for sure not".

In any case, meanwhile, to me bounty hunting is just another facet of "police" life, in the largest possible meaning of the word "police".

Criminals are on the run, -some folks catch em for money, -either police, or bounty hunters.

The criminals are not sold as cheeseburgers at MacDuffys.

End of story.

no end of story from a buddhist view :-)
but Sorry :-) "for sure not" - surely not... a good livelihood
No police - police don't catch for money. There task is catching but there is no danger of doing wrong because of the money.
Oh yes they are sold, watch out the news business the live show and the TV show where you got your thought from.
So you got directly involved in human trade :-)

Keep the precepts! Its your protection :-) No shows haha


Sure! You watch out for yours and I will for mine. :smile:

Oh yes they are sold, watch out the news business the live show and the TV show where you got your thought from.


Don't know where you are getting yours from, but I know several police people personally, male and female.

So you got directly involved in human trade


Who? Me? :smile:

There task is catching but there is no danger of doing wrong because of the money.


How so? Police and bountyhunters are both paid by the State (or whoever pays that)
If they do wrong, both police and bountyhunters go to court.

At least in lands with law and order. :reading:
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Oct 05, 2010 2:37 pm

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...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Annapurna » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:11 pm

Alright Hanzze. no problem.

But it seems you think that bounty hunter captives arrive in custody injured?

What do you base your information on?

I had never heard of Bounty hunting before I watched "Dog" on TV.

He doesn't seem to injure people at all.

But I have seen violent American policemen on TV.
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Ytrog » Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:51 pm

I've read that being a policeman isn't considered right livelihood as well as it might include having to use violence and hurt people. If this is the case (that is is wrong livelihood) then being a bounty hunter would be even worse.
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:33 am

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:37 am

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Annapurna » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:09 am

Yes, Hanzze. I can.

But I hardly ever catch or discipline with the body.

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:19 am

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Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Annapurna » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:03 am

No problem, your concern is justified!

Certain situations are more conducive to breeding violence than others!

In harmless jobs you don't get as many opportunities to slip as in more violent ones.

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Re: Bounty-hunters-wrong livelihood? Or a good job?

Postby Ytrog » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:26 am

Hanzze wrote:
Ytrog wrote:I've read that being a policeman isn't considered right livelihood as well as it might include having to use violence and hurt people. If this is the case (that is is wrong livelihood) then being a bounty hunter would be even worse.

The is a lot written, but what is your idea? Is it possible to keep precepts and walk the eightful path wile being a policeman. It is not the question how one really acts in fact. Also a monk can live a live against right livelihood but monkshood provides maybe the best possibility for it.

Is it possible as policeman or bodyhunter if you are not a superhuman.

No, I think the job of policeman will demand that you break some precepts sooner or later.
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