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the great rebirth debate

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Moderator note: A bunch of stuff having to do with the translation of amata has been moved here:

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10569&p=178757#p178757

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Postby Sarva » Mon Mar 19, 2012 5:12 pm

To just jump in to a long thread...

My stance is that this is the last life.
Rebirth is rather a historic question; what lead to this birth, not what's next.

Through meditational insight I saw a desire (craving) which lead to this birth. The desire was for many years unexplicable and deep rooted and until that moment I had not found a root cause or satisfaction for it. I was not able to distinguish a factor from childhood which would have given rise to the desire, yet it existed and played a large role on forming my character and the choices taken throughout my life. I mention, this rather personal observation, as my practice is alone and I am curious if this is could help others or others might recognise it.

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“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Mknicke » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:47 pm

You're certainly welcome to dispute my review of "The Truth of Rebirth" but please don't misrepresent what it says. Neither I nor any other secular dharma writer I'm aware of would make any of the oversimplified and unjustifiable claims you attribute to me. What I do say is that the Theravadin faith that the entire Pali canon presents an accurate and doctrinally and logically consistent picture of Gotama's teachings on rebirth is unjustifiable, based on either historical evidence or on the heteroglossic nature of the texts themselves. What my review says is that, to make any sense of the Pali texts, we have to interpret what we read there. Thanissaro Bhikkhu's interpretation violates common sense, scientific knowlege and the core prinicples of anatta and conditioned arising, and is no more justifiable than an interpretation based on the many passages of the canon in which Gotama advises against metaphysical speculation and in favor of liberation in this very life. I would advise folks to go to my review and read it for themselves. I welcome responsible discussion.

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:popcorn:

3 years and 138 pages later this thread finally gets interesting.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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