rucontent wrote:What is going on? Thoughts stop but i am not really trying. Am i doing something wrong? If not, how does this help wise action i want to take in my life on say Aversion, Doubt, Desire, Restlessness, Torpor?
Just be patient Grasshopper? IF so that is fine, I would accept that.
The main problem is patient.
When we see the thought, the thought can disappear. It can disappear in 2 ways, by force (purposely stop it), or it stops naturally.
SInce it is natural, when the thoughts appear, they are also 2 possibilities. One when we look at it, it stop naturally stright away. Second, when we look at it, it keeps going on and on and on. It takes time for it to stop naturally.
FOr the second one, when the thought of desire appear, if it appears for 20 minutes, we have to be patient for 20 minutes.
This approach is the big problem.
The problem lies in not knowing the nature of that thought. If we know the nature of that thought, when the desire appear in the meditation, there is no such thing called patient.
Someone will be in patient mode, only if that person is in an effort of waiting something to pass away. THere is something he dislike. Because he dislike it, and because he is not supposed to change anything, he only left with 1 option, which is patient.
So, the meditation sometime become the exercise to become the Olympic champion in training patient. We are trying to become the macho man in patient.
Patient is good, and meditation can build that, it is good. However, that is not the purpose of buddhist meditation.
If we can see the nature of the thoughts that appear during meditation, for example desire, we won't do anything and we will be completely relax. There is no such thing called patient.
If someone comes to our house, because we don't know who he is, we will naturally very cautious with that person, as if that person is someone who is very dangerous, or someone who is very holly.
But if we know that the true face of that person, his existance, whether he will be in that house for 100 years, or 100000 years, it won't bother us. We don't need to be patient with him, we naturally don't need to do anything to him.
Same thing here. When the thought of desire arise, there is really zero efforts in responding to its presence.
In meditation, as long as there is still an effort, such as patient, there is still something real in our view.
So, we need to again and again see the nature of everything until we reach the state of zero efforts.
Instead of becoming Olympic Champion or macho man in patient, it is better if you see the nature of whatever appear to you nakedly. Someday, once you really know them, you will see that actually patient is a mistake for this case.
Patient is really the action due to not knowing who it is.
This effort of patient block your meditation to go further.