The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:34 pm


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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:30 am

How many thoughts can be thought in an hour? A lot!

But I'm rather slow, so perhaps I averaged one every two or three seconds tonight. Hmmm :thinking: 1200? :rofl:

Not that many, I don't think. Perhaps I am even slower than I thought!

Anyway, I sat tonight. A lot of thoughts came up about family life - good, helpful thoughts, which made them hard to relinquish.

Peace to all.

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:16 am

A pretty decent night. By relaxing my body and smoothing my breath, mindfully, I calmed a rather raucous obsession. Not bad. Heck, I went from being worked up all day, to being so relaxed I had to intentionally ramp up my energy. All in the course of 10 minutes or less, even.

Anyway, good night.

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:16 am

How many nights has it been? :thinking:

Excluding the 27th of March, it has been 10 days. Yay!

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:13 pm

Last night I sat for only 30 minutes. Then I woke up! It had been a long day, so I went to bed. :shrug:

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby bodom » Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:32 pm

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To attain the goal is to know and let go.

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with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby bodom » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:48 pm

Ha!

Well I spoke too soon. There both fast asleep and I was able to get a solid hour of meditation in. :woohoo:

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To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:29 pm

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:21 am

I've completed the night's meditation. I got in just a little metta reflection there at the end; perhaps I should make an hour of that on its own sometime!

I'm getting better at calming my mind and thereby gaining some relief, or mental room, from the days obsessions/cravings. This makes things easier, but of course a whole day spent practising relinquishment would lead to a more complete letting go than trying to relinquish for 10 or more minutes once a night.

But one step at a time.

Thanks for reading.

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:02 am

Tonight went well enough at the beginning and the end. The middle part could have been better. :tongue: I should be getting more sleep at night I suppose.

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Ben » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:16 am

Hi thereductor,
Better...how?
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Ben » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:47 am

Thanks.
Not too much info at all.
The reason I ask is that, particularly within my own tradition, I've noticed that some people place a lot of value on the affective "feel" of meditation and other artefacts such as distractedness, presence of lustful thoughts, drowsiness, painful and pleasurable sensations & etc as indicative of how "good" or "successful" their meditative experience is.
Personally, I think its a mistake.
A lot of the difficulties we experience in meditation (hindrances) manifest as a result of attempting to meditate. They are, to a small extent, indicative of some progress. However, if we end up indulging in our hindrances during meditation then it becomes a barrier.
Sometimes we're going to have meditation sessions that will feel great and others that will feel...ordinary. Just don't place to much value or attempt to interpret the session through the phenomenology that is rising and falling.
They're (meditation sessions) are all good!
I hope I made sense!
with metta,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby jcprice » Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:44 am

Hi all,

very inspirational thread.

It was interesting to read the waxing and waning and waxing again of the practice. The disruptions of family life. Struggle with posture. Struggle with noise. Busy minds. etc.

It mirrors my own experience. :rofl:

I've been struggling this year to re-establish my own meditation practice after the birth of my second child.

Now it's just a matter of juggling meditation times between late nights settling the eldest child and the wife, and the youngest waking up early as I'm sitting down to meditate.

All that said, I've settled on my old practice of counting ("training wheels" as someone rather astutely pointed out above) and perhaps rolling into metta from there (especially in the evenings).

From past experience, it takes me about three months of daily practice to get to a good place with my meditation.

That said, I can feel the energy and enthusiasm coming up for each sit.

The real trick is to not drop the practice when the first disruption comes up (getting sick, travel, etc.).

Anyway, Metta to all with their own practice.

Jason

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:49 am

Greetings,

I meditated this morning from 3:00 - 3:45am. A feature of the session was the combination of sloth/torpor with an absence of 'distracting thoughts'. Seemingly, rather than cultivate any samatha or vipassana, I was simply open to whatever was experienced.

Then, on account of the lack of viriya, I felt tired, lay down and feel asleep dreaming about a mouse, who throughout the course of the dream evolved into a domesticated cat/rat-like creature.

:shrug:

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:19 pm

I just got a new bench; my old handmade one was seriously impeding my progress with its uneven legs and rusty hinges haha. So hopefully I'll be up to my regular hour a day soon! Wish me luck haha.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Reductor » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:07 pm

My daughter wouldn't go to sleep when she was supposed to, so I ended up waiting longer than I had hoped. At some point I laid on the couch, and low and behold I fell asleep.

After I awoke at 12:41am, and after some deliberation, I decided on a half hour rather than an hour. It went well, and when my timer went off I was no longer struggling. I went to bed anyway, however.

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Re: The Dhamma Wheel Meditation Challenge

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:35 am

Sounds good, thereductor.
One of the difficulties of being a householder is learning to bend with the wind - merging our practice with our "mundane" responsibilities.
I think what is important is the continuity of effort (whether it be maintaining set periods during the day or maintaining a mindful attitude throughout the day).
Wishing you and your family restful evenings and opportunities for you to sit.
with Metta,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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