"The Deathless" (amata)

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Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Postby nowheat » Mon May 21, 2012 9:34 pm

I promised, a few months back, to post a note when the paper I've been making reference to in this thread comes out. Here is the note. The paper is available (at a cost, unfortunately) here:



and abstracts for the issue can be found here:



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Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

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Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Postby khaaan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:05 am

Tilt, why did you choose to render it as "freedom from death" rather than "the destruction of death" or "the extinction of death"? As you know, those parallel the definition of nibbāna as "the destruction (or extinction) of lust, hate, and delusion", and, like your rendering, they do not reify nibbāna. I expect you considered many alternatives in the process of translation, and I was wondering why you rejected those in particular.

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Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: "The Deathless" (amata)

Postby daverupa » Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:38 pm

I don't see the Visuddhimagga saying that the adverting to nibbana is adverting to a quality within one; it's simply not as clear as it might be, when put in such terms, which is why I pressed the point.

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