Intense tingling, general body disassociation

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Intense tingling, general body disassociation

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Apr 04, 2012 5:52 pm

I recently came into ownership of a new meditation bench which has allowed me to sit far more comfortably. As I do, around ten minutes in I begin to have an intense tingling/shaking sensation in all my limbs and core, followed by a general feeling of not having a body, to put it in words. Not like a mystical astral projection or anything like that, but more just a loss of connection with the body and more absorption on the breath. I still have plenty of wayward thoughts though, so I highly doubt it's any kind of Jhana state. Is this just a normal biproduct of more comfortable seating, or is this an indication of some kind of wrong/right practice? Thanks for any help guys!
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Re: Intense tingling, general body disassociation

Postby Ferox » Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:09 pm

interesting experience, but an experience to be observed and moved on from (ie not become attached to) non the less.. not that that really answers your question. I'd be interested to see some of the responses either way.
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Re: Intense tingling, general body disassociation

Postby Goofaholix » Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:40 pm

So you believe this was caused by changing to a meditation bench?

I'd recommend you try meditating in various postures, a chair, walking, cross legged, lying down etc, observe what happens then.
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Re: Intense tingling, general body disassociation

Postby rowboat » Thu Apr 05, 2012 4:42 am

Goofaholix has good advice. Perhaps in the past you were holding to various subtle tensions in a way that was holding you back and now this has changed and you're really settling in, so to speak. I would suggest that before you sit again you spend a little more time in preparation. Revisit why you are meditating, contemplate the Four Noble Truths, the Noble Eightfold Path, and think of death, and how short and precious this life is.

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Re: Intense tingling, general body disassociation

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 05, 2012 5:28 am

Greetings LY,
LonesomeYogurt wrote:I recently came into ownership of a new meditation bench which has allowed me to sit far more comfortably. As I do, around ten minutes in I begin to have an intense tingling/shaking sensation in all my limbs and core, followed by a general feeling of not having a body, to put it in words. Not like a mystical astral projection or anything like that, but more just a loss of connection with the body and more absorption on the breath. I still have plenty of wayward thoughts though, so I highly doubt it's any kind of Jhana state. Is this just a normal biproduct of more comfortable seating, or is this an indication of some kind of wrong/right practice? Thanks for any help guys!

My personal experience has been that I can't sit on a seiza bench.
My recommendation is to change your meditation posture to something else. Try them out. Find that which gives you the greatest comfort for the longest period of time.
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Re: Intense tingling, general body disassociation

Postby daverupa » Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:46 am

Could be subtle energy; keep your tongue up, have no expectations, keep going.

Speculative.

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