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Self-Discipline

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Self-Discipline

Postby Guy » Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:59 am

I haven't been meditating...Any tips on self-discipline?
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:05 am

Yep.


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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Dan74 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:35 am

I haven't been meditating regularly either, Guy. Maybe we can return to daily practice together?

Edit: As for tips, I am like a drunk advising you how to stay sober :) but given that I did maintain daily practice for a number of years, I guess what kept it going was a belief in its importance and getting it firmly entrenched in the routine (I sat with my wife).

What I'd like to do now is set a daily alarm and not make any excuses. Time to sit is time to sit, rain or shine, healthy or sick, sleepy or wide awake - it's always worthwhile.
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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Sarva » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:43 am

Hi Guy
You could wait for others to go to bed or get up 1 hour early. I find it is minimalising distractions, not increasing discipline which is the problem.

If you have small children or inquisitive people at home, then I guess they may need to learn that the first hour in the day you aren't to be disturbed, for example. It may take some time for them to learn to leave you but then their mind will move on to more 'fun things' to do than seeing what you are doing sitting there.

Metta
“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:30 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Self-Discipline

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby marc108 » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:27 pm

for me there have been two components to building regular practice. first is the 'just do it' factor, you have to make a serious commitment to yourself that you are going to sit, for at least a little bit, no matter what. even if nothing productive comes of the meditation, it still serves to reenforce the commitment.

the other, and most important part imo, is making meditation ENJOYABLE! Meditation should be fun, enjoyable, pleasurable... if you view meditation as a chore or a duty, its unlikely anything worthwhile will ever come of it. For me approaching the practice with an attitude of exploration/investigation/wonder is very motivating... It's interesting, like being a mind scientist. Also it feels good, getting the mind into a concentrated state feels extremely pleasurable and the Buddha said this pleasure is good and to be pursued. That is one thing that I am so thankful to Thanissaro Bhikkhu for... he really emphasizes that meditation should be pleasurable and the desiring the non-wordly pleasure of Samadhi is good. The idea being that our unliberated minds will automatically follow pleasurable feelings, so if we can get our minds to follow the pleasure that comes from meditation its like a loophole and can REALLY turn out commitment to practice from a burden into something we enjoy and desire... we can use our unskillful desire for pleasure in a skillful way.

i also do a lot of reading/listening on meditation, theory, practice and on various subject by the great meditation Masters. i like to listen to a Dhamma talk before meditation, even if just for a minute or so... i find this really helps to bring up the correct mindstate & inspires me to practice.
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Monkey Mind » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:44 pm

I made a resolution that I would meditate each day, and I would not go to bed unless this was done. Ideally I would meditate first thing in a day. The first time I realized I could not go to bed yet, at 1 am, because I had not done meditation that day... I made it a priority after that.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Guy » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:11 pm

That's awesome, thanks everyone for all the great advice!!!

Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu!

Really I know all this stuff...it is just a matter of applying it; "Just Do It", as Ben said.

Metta,

Guy
Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Goofaholix » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:37 pm

More importantly have you been keeping up mindfulness of your daily activities, have you been noticing your mind states and quality of awareness throughout the day?

if you can do this reasonably consistantly then build on this, don't worry if you are not sitting much, if you can't then yes you need to get into more disciplined sitting so as to establish mindfulness.

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Guy » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:57 pm

Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

- Ajahn Brahm

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby spoke » Fri May 04, 2012 9:43 pm

You might consider setting up a commitment on a goal tracking website like stickk.com - I did this a few months ago and it worked well.

Here's how it works: you define a goal that you want to stick to, say for example, I want to meditate X number of minutes per day, every day, for Y weeks. And then once you've set up the goal, you need to check back in on the website every week to notify whether you reached your goal or not.

The part where it becomes effective is this: you can (optionally) put an amount of money on the line that you will either go to a charity that you like if you succeed in reaching your goal every week, or, you can choose to have that money donated to an organization that you really don't like (examples for me would be organizations like the National Rifle Association in the US, or those dedicated to denying global warming) if you fail to achieve your goal for that week. So it kind activates the "there's no way my hard earned money's gonna go to those guys" factor to get you motivated to stick to your goal no matter what. (The creators of the website, psychologists at Yale I believe, actually say that the latter is more effective at getting people to stick to their goals.)

You also can designate a "referee" that you know personally, who will report back to the website every week on your behalf - so you're accountable to the referee as well, not just to the website.

Good luck!

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby williamregal » Sat May 05, 2012 5:32 am

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby manas » Sat May 05, 2012 6:26 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Buddha » Sat May 05, 2012 10:57 am

well if you want to meditate often you need to "force" yourselfe to do it,its pretty hard for about 1 week,but when you get an hang of it its quite easy.
Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Stiphan » Sat May 05, 2012 11:06 am

Start small and gradually increase. First day meditate for just 1 minute. Next day meditate for 3 minutes. The following day 5 mins. After that increase by 5 minutes per day until you are meditating for 1 hour every day. Then meditate for 1 hour every day for a whole week. The following week meditate for 1 hour and 10 minutes per day. The week after that meditate for 1 hour and 20 minutes every day. Increase your daily meditation by 10 minutes every week until you are meditating for 3 hours every day.

You'll find it quite easy to do that. Gradual way is the best way. Good luck!

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby manas » Sat May 05, 2012 12:25 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby Stiphan » Sat May 05, 2012 12:42 pm

Well 3 hours was just an example. Whether 3, or 2, or 1 hours, my point was to get there gradually. I just said 3 because that is my own goal. :smile:

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Re: Self-Discipline

Postby manas » Sat May 05, 2012 7:57 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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