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Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Moth » Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:37 pm

I am currently reading Godel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter and I am finding the parallels to Buddhism very interesting.

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While the subject is interesting, over the following months I have found the effort to correspond logic/mathematics and Buddhist ultimately pointless, as I feel now it would be a disservice to the Dhamma. The Buddha's teachings are more than enough for contemplation. I cannot reemphasize enough the advice Ben gives below about unnecessary papañca.
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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Ben » Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:53 pm

No Moth, I haven't.
I wish you all the best with your pursuit though I hope it doesn't lead to unnecessary papanca.
with metta,

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby piotr » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:20 pm

Bhagavaṃmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā...

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Moth » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:22 pm

Thanks for the reference to Bodhesako's essay.
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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Sarva » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:32 pm

“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby pulga » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:22 pm

I'm not really into the phenomenology of mathematics, but it's interesting that Husserl's theory of categorial intuition had a marked influence on some of Godel's ideas. While Frege relegated numbers to an ontological third realm, Husserl contended that even abstract things like numbers are ultimately derived from sensual intuition. From a Buddhist perspective sensual intuition more or less corresponds to phassa. Under the influence of Russell the Anglo-americans sided with Frege, though his Third Realm became a bit of an embarrassment. Analytic philosophy is oddly disembodied: it deals with language, truth, and logic in an inherently abstract manner, whereas phenomenology is grounded in the here-and-now, in one's own personal -- and embodied -- experience.
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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Moth » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:22 am

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby pulga » Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:34 pm

I think we're dealing with parts and wholes. To use Ven. Bodhesako's analogy, the note is the foundation for the melody. The hierarchy that ensues is one of generality: the presence (or consciousness) of things, each determined as what it is by the context or whole of which it is a part. Each thing is constituted by its own set of pancakkhandha.

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby santa100 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:53 pm

A schematic of the Five Aggregates and how they interact below might be helpful..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:PancaKhandha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Sarva » Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:38 pm

“Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress.” — SN 22:86

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Viscid » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:30 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Moth » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:25 pm

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

Postby Sarva » Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:34 pm

Hi Moth
Just a small observation, I believe the consciousness spoken of in DN15 is a different consciousness spoken of in the last two quotation.
My understanding is there is no first cause in Buddhism, e.g. the chicken and the egg arise together.

Hope it helps with your research. :)
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Re: Godel, Escher, Bach ...and Buddha

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