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The Evolution Debate

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The Evolution Debate

Postby robertk » Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:36 pm

Some of you might like to read an article I wrote on this:

http://www.sciencebuddhism.com/

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby daverupa » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:27 pm

One problem is that evolution has nothing to do with cosmogenesis or biogenesis, but it is often treated as if it does. This conflation occurs in the first paragraph, and throughout, and muddles the topic. Evolution has also been directly observed, so it's no longer based solely on inferential evidence. It also has a strict definition in biology, and does not require an analysis of the dictionary (p. 5). It also isn't called "Darwinism". Bringing in 'after death' issues is wholly unrelated to the theory of evolution. The Christianity section is merely anecdotal. And, finally, that this science doesn't have all the answers doesn't mean that non-scientific responses to these issues are appropriately robust, nor does it mean that they are better than "we don't know yet".

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby Buckwheat » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:43 am

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby robertk » Sun Apr 15, 2012 6:41 am

daverupa:One problem is that evolution has nothing to do with cosmogenesis or biogenesis, but it is often treated as if it does. This conflation occurs in the first paragraph, and throughout, and muddles the topic.
GO to page 49 (in the journal) and you will see I list the 6 ways that Evolution is used in books/journals and textbooks.


Evolution has also been directly observed, so it's no longer based solely on inferential evidence.
Yes, as the article says:
"[it] is a fact that Microevolution can be observed directly."



Bringing in 'after death' issues is wholly unrelated to the theory of evolution.
I think it is related: leading scientists/sociologists use the theory to conclude that the world is entirely material and that any future existence after death is laughably wrong.
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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby Ben » Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:21 am

Hi Rob,

First of all - congratulations on the article.
I apologise as I haven't read it yet. In your comments above it appears you are asserting that evolution and rebirth are mutually exclusive. I apologise if I have my wires crossed. If I haven't could you kindly explain briefly why that is so?
Many thanks,

Ben
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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby Buckwheat » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:51 pm

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby robertk » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:10 am

In my upcoming book, tentative title, Buddha,Science,Christ: the evolution debate and education, I note some of the problems, as I see it, with both the Christian and Scientific arguments:

Here is one example, from the evolution side, of what seems to be a philosophically important area stated almost without explanation:

Peter Atkins:
"a great deal of the universe does not need any explanation. Elephants for instance. Once molecules have learnt to compete and to create other molecules in their own image, elephants, and things resembling elephants will in due course be found roaming through the countryside" (cited appovingly in Richard Dawkins popular book, The Blind Watchmaker, 1986, p.14).

That molecules should have these capacities to compete and create is taken as pretty much granted , and yet isn't this exactly where the debate lies.
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