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The Evolution Debate

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: The Evolution Debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:10 pm

What if by "rūpa" we take it as matter as it is experienced rather than ontological matter of materialism. Then with this phenomenological interpretation arūpa loka poses no problem. There is no experience of matter there.
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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby Rui Sousa » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:46 pm

RobertK,

I have not read the whole article, so please forgive me if my comments are irrelevant.

As I understand it Evolution has two main mechanisms, natural selection and sexual selection.

Natural selection occurs when then those who die before procreation will become a genetical dead end, and those who survive into adulthood and are able to procreate will pass on their characteristics to future generations. Comparing this to what I understand of Buddhist cosmogony, it is each individual's kamma that determines the initial properties of each nama-rupa existence. Physical and mental conditions, not events, are based on previous actions that create boundaries to what each individual can do in each existence. I can fit these two proposals (Evolution and Kamma) in my mind without any apparent conflict. In the Aggañña Sutta DN27 I see this evolution of mind and body by means of desire, connected with the steps of dependent origination.

In light of this sexual desire is a mere specialization of natural selection, and of the kamma of desire.
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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby kirk5a » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:58 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Meanwhile, back at the OP...

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

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Re: The Evolution Debate

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:51 pm

What science offers today, which neither Darwin, nor any religiostics had available to them at the time is an understanding of genetics and how it drives evolution. It also dispels any notion of any form of moral superiority. All that really matters is can any given species adapt to and survive in the environmental conditions, which currently present themselves. :coffee:
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