Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

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Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Upasaka Sumana » Fri May 04, 2012 3:54 pm

The Buddha extolled generosity. He said "When asked, give even if you only have a little." (Dhp.224).

My step-brother (well, not exactly, because my mother and his father are not married) is addicted to gambling (online poker). A few days ago he asked me for 20 euros. I gave him 5 because that was all I had. Later, my mother told me not to give him any money anymore because he used it only for playing poker. Today he asked me for 7 euros and I said "I don't give money."

I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing by not giving money to a gambler. I haven't heard of generosity being discouraged, but surely giving to a gambler doesn't yield much fruit.
Do not think lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.
Do not think lightly of good, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.

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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Buckwheat » Fri May 04, 2012 4:26 pm

Would you give an alcoholic a shot of whiskey?
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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Alobha » Fri May 04, 2012 8:27 pm

Hi Stefan,

Great question!
A good guideline is to consider whether your action would lead to or encourage wholesome or unwholesome qualities for yourself and/or others.

1. Would giving money to your brother be for your benefit, would it be for his benefit, would it be for the benefit of both of you or would it be neither for your nor for his benefit?

2. Would giving money to your brother be unwholesome for you, would it be unwholesome for him, would it be unwholesome for both you and your brother or would it be unwholesome neither for him nor for you?

Apart from that: Do you know for sure that your brother spends the money you give him on gambling?

The Buddha extolled generosity. He said "When asked, give even if you only have a little." (Dhp.224).

From my point of view: Just like not everything that is offered is acceptable under certain circumstances, not everything that is asked for is acceptable to be given under certain circumstance. If a woman would ask a monk to give her a child, that would not be something a monk would give. If a monk is offered alcohol, that would not be acceptable either. The rules for laypeople (and this particular situation) may be less clear, but generosity is a matter of the persons and the present involved imho. Providing shelter, food, medicine or clothes is something different than providing a drug to someone who is addicted and suffering from this addiction.

I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing by not giving money to a gambler. I haven't heard of generosity being discouraged, but surely giving to a gambler doesn't yield much fruit.

Do you think that some people deserve generosity, while others don't? I assume the conflict is not whether your brother is worty of generosity, but how generosity towards him should be expressed.

If you want to take an active stance, you could of course offer him help to find a job for extra cash or help him with financial matters or offer him advice on the gambling problem (or any other social / emotional support).
From my point of view: Denying an unreasonable request does not necessarily mean to be not generous and greedy, but just that generosity is applied with wisdom. Mind that there's a difference in intention between rejecting an unreasonable offer and rejecting a person.

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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Cittasanto » Fri May 04, 2012 9:00 pm

actually great post Alobha!
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Goofaholix » Fri May 04, 2012 9:06 pm

Absolutely!
"Right effort is effort with wisdom. Because where there is wisdom, there is interest. The desire to know something is wisdom at work. Being mindful is not difficult. But it’s difficult to be continuously aware. For that you need right effort. But it does not require a great deal of energy. It’s relaxed perseverance in reminding yourself to be aware. When you are aware, wisdom unfolds naturally, and there is still more interest." - Sayadaw U Tejaniya

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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Buddha » Sat May 05, 2012 11:02 am

You did the right thing,gambling is an bad habbit,and you should talk to him about this problem,and try to get it fix
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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Ben » Sat May 05, 2012 11:38 am

Greetings Stefan,
In your situation I would not be giving money to someone with a gambling addiction.
kind regards,

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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Upasaka Sumana » Sat May 05, 2012 11:42 am

Thanks all!
Do not think lightly of evil, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the fool, gathering it little by little, fills himself with evil.
Do not think lightly of good, saying, "It will not come to me." A drop at a time is the water pot filled. Likewise, the wise man, gathering it little by little, fills himself with good.

—Gotama Buddha, Dhammapada 121-122

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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby equilibrium » Sun May 06, 2012 12:28 pm

If the player is good, one can make money in poker, it is a skill game and not by chance or luck like those in casinos like roulette.
A gambler is one where he does not know the difference and is based on luck to win, one cannot win in the long term if based on luck.

A good player will only borrow money and will repay with interest, a bad player or gambler does not win and will not repay and usually comes back asking for more as he does not understand that he is a gambler and does not know how to win......they are usually doing it for the thrill.

It would appear your friend is a gambler.
You are correct in not providing further funds.

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Re: Am I right in not giving money to a gambler?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:09 am

Great that you had only 5 and gave them all. Not to speak how secure it is to have no money at all. No need for inhonesty, wrong judgements and the fear to be greedy at least. I guess as long as we gamble our self in some aspects its not easy to say "you are not worthy you are a gambler".
Just that! *smile*
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