Alobha wrote:As for the right time and right intention: The Buddha talked about this and i can remember that there's a rule against it in the patimokkha, isn't it? Does the patimokkha specify a right time for such claims or explains any exceptions where talking about achievements would be of benefit? While laypeople are not bound to these rules, their wisdom and the reasons why these rules exist, still apply.
There are two rules, a Parajika and a Pacitia.
like many rules they specify the negative, what not to do. and it is left up to interpretating the origin stories and texts to decide when it is something which can be done.
I agree in principle that the rules to an extent do apply, but not in all cases, sometimes it is more a case of the spirit of the rule can be used to strengthen the lay precepts, at other times they are not applicable to lay life.
Here, in this on-line community, I think the right time is after getting to know the members here, to use myself as an example, I have been here from the start, and everyone knows me to one degree or another, if I made such a claim (which I by no means am) this would still be rightly treated with suspicion (or replace with what ever word you find more appropriate), because members know me, they are better equipped to poke and note anything which they see as out of tune with the claim, and because I know the members I am better equipped to take what they say without jumping to conclusions, such as they don't practice, they study the tradition, or whatever else could be concocted, as has recently been seen.
as the Buddha says
Khaggavisāṇa sutta: A Rhinoceros! - Sn1.3 says wrote:13. “Addhā pasaṃsāma sahāyasampadaṃ, Seṭṭhā samā sevitabbā sahāyā;
Ete aladdhā anavajjabhojī, Eko care khaggavisāṇakappo”.
We praise the fortune of spending time in friendship, excellent is a year of association with friends;
this is enough time for friends to see each others faults, then it is suitable to travel like a solitary rhinoceros!
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.John Stuart Mill