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Why Meditate?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ben » Fri May 18, 2012 6:06 am

Hi Ron,
Thank you for your very detailed and informative answers to our members' questions. I think over the years, I've seen quite a bit of what you refer to as 'dark night' experiences interpreted as adverse reactions by new-to-meditation practitioners and some inexperienced teachers. I've also seen clients of some psychologists who have similar destabilizing experiences as a result of enthusiastic mindfulness meditation programs that were, in your words, "cut adrift" because the treating specialist didn't have the knowledge or experience to assist the person.
I hope you are enjoying your experience here at Dhamma Wheel.
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Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ron Crouch » Fri May 18, 2012 6:22 am

Thanks Ben - very cool site! I'm glad my friend let me know about the conversation over here. I'm looking forward to checking out more of the topics.

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby mikenz66 » Fri May 18, 2012 6:25 am

Thanks Ron for the detailed replies. It's very useful to have informed discussions about the Dhamma and how it may be applied.

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ron Crouch » Fri May 18, 2012 6:28 am

@ retro - hey, please don't take any offense from me - enlightenment is a team sport and we're all in this together.

I respect your desire to be exacting, if you aren't a monk you might do well as one. I went through a period where I was very much the same way, ended up in a monastic way, but have got pretty far from that as the website shows.

Much respect.

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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2012 8:01 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2012 8:07 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ben » Fri May 18, 2012 8:17 am

Its not part of my vocabulary either, Retro. Its just a term used by some people who use it to refer to a particular type of experience.
kind regards,

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby mikenz66 » Fri May 18, 2012 8:24 am

Perhaps some of the disagreement in discussion boils down to a difference in opinion about what is "Dhamma", what is "advice" or "experience", and how the Commentarial and modern material should be classified.

To me, the Visuddhimagga descriptions of the nanas is not an attempt to "add" to the Dhamma. To me It seems like a (sometimes patchy) record of collective experience of applying the Dhamma, to be read in the same way as advice from a modern teacher, whether Ajahn Chah, Thanissaro Bhikkhu, Bhikkhu Nanananda, or whoever...

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2012 8:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2012 8:34 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2012 8:49 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why Meditate?

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby retrofuturist » Fri May 18, 2012 8:52 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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