Why Meditate?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Postby befriend » Sat May 19, 2012 2:02 pm

what about revulsion, there is revulsion then there is dispassion. when i see something as impermenent i then see it as suffering seeing the object as suffering there is revulsion towards it, disgust.
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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ron Crouch » Sat May 19, 2012 9:51 pm

Yes, yes and yes!

This is exactly it. "Insight knowledge" is not a thing, it's a process with three steps. First, the experience of the insight knowledge (which can be pleasant, painful or neutral). Then the investigation of the the phenomena. Then the letting go - experience of freedom.

Don't parse out just the freedom part alone and say that is the only aspect that constitutes insight.

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:goodpost:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ron Crouch » Sun May 20, 2012 2:41 am

There is another subtext that I'm picking up in some of the posts, which I find a little concerning, and I'd like to pose a question and get some feedback:

How is it decided who is ready to do insight practice? Who should decides this?

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Why Meditate?

Postby Ron Crouch » Sun May 20, 2012 3:47 am

I know this is a pretty strictly Theravadin community, but I just found this video of Buddhist scholar and Zen teacher Shinzen Young wonderfully describing the dukkha nanas and their correlates in Christianity. Thought I'd share it because it fits so well into our conversation here:



Also, let me just add that I'm really enjoying this thread. You guys at Dhamma Wheel have been gracious in letting me share my views (which appear to be very different than many of those held here) and I feel many are sincerely trying to understand through their disagreements - this is a good place!

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Re: Why Meditate?

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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